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FangsF15 10-10-2025 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by velosnow (Post 3958407)
This bit here is incorrect. They pay for themselves in terms of energy cost to build within months and return positive ROI for investment dollars. Not huge, but consistent. The last part is of course subjective. Have you ever lived near a coal plant or coal mining? I did, grew up next door to it all. Not fun.

Of course, there are variances depending on where they are (how consistent is the wind), and local electricity costs, as well as how remote/expensive it was to build. But months? Not even close. Wind farms take from 10-12 years to pay for themselves.

Khantahr 10-10-2025 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3958399)
​​​​​​​And are ugly and noisy as heck.


Ugly compared to a coal plant? They're not noisy. Sitting right underneath one, my idling motorcycle (which itself isn't that loud at idle) was louder than the wind turbine.

SideStickMonkey 10-10-2025 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3958438)
Ugly compared to a coal plant? They're not noisy. Sitting right underneath one, my idling motorcycle (which itself isn't that loud at idle) was louder than the wind turbine.

Coal is nasty. There's no such thing as clean coal and coal burning plants actually release more radiation into the environment than nuclear plants.

What we need is a rebirth of the nuke sector in this country. It's happening but too slowly. We will always need a constant load into our power infrastructure that only nuclear, nat gas, and coal can do. We just need to pretty much get rid of coal altogether.

Wind has been great and I just read China built a solar farm that's twice as big as Manhattan. It's all doable we just need the will to do it.

tennisguru 10-10-2025 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by SideStickMonkey (Post 3958440)
Coal is nasty. There's no such thing as clean coal and coal burning plants actually release more radiation into the environment than nuclear plants.

What we need is a rebirth of the nuke sector in this country. It's happening but too slowly. We will always need a constant load into our power infrastructure that only nuclear, nat gas, and coal can do. We just need to pretty much get rid of coal altogether.

Wind has been great and I just read China built a solar farm that's twice as big as Manhattan. It's all doable we just need the will to do it.

Also much easier for them to do since they a) are basically the world's producer of solar cells, and b) can steamroll their way into any project since the government has complete societal control there.

FangsF15 10-10-2025 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3958438)
Ugly compared to a coal plant? They're not noisy. Sitting right underneath one, my idling motorcycle (which itself isn't that loud at idle) was louder than the wind turbine.

Well, I said noisy, not loud.

And yes, IMO, wind farms ruin the landscape. There are better ways, and I’m not a fan. It’s JMO, and it won’t ever change.

Totally agree about Nuclear. It’s a very clean source of limitless energy. Obviously the downside is the wasted but we have good ways of dealing with that.

OOfff 10-10-2025 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3958429)
Has a single train moved? Or even a single piece of rail? Are they even close?

did you actually try to find the answers to the current project status and why it is so, or are you using opinions from your media diet?

FangsF15 10-10-2025 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3958474)
did you actually try to find the answers to the current project status and why it is so, or are you using opinions from your media diet?

You know Google is a thing, right... ;)

Now, try answering the question.

Hotel Kilo 10-10-2025 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 3958438)
Ugly compared to a coal plant? They're not noisy. Sitting right underneath one, my idling motorcycle (which itself isn't that loud at idle) was louder than the wind turbine.

I doubt that, there're codes for how close windmills can be to residential areas.

IF what you say is true, can't wait for when that gear box melts, catches fire and rains down burning carbon fiber remanants of fan blades on your house. Hope you have good insurance.

Khantahr 10-10-2025 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 3958497)
I doubt that, there're codes for how close windmills can be to residential areas.

IF what you say is true, can't wait for when that gear box melts, catches fire and rains down burning carbon fiber remanants of fan blades on your house. Hope you have good insurance.


Go find one and see for yourself.

vinny7 10-10-2025 04:10 PM

What about when the windmill gearbox explodes and 500 gallons of oil gets spilled on the ground


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