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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3958336)
I don't see how infrastructure, defense ... are "subsidies." You get something in return for your money. Subsidies prop-up otherwise unprofitable sectors. In the case of farming/green industries, it's rent-seeking.
Again, I'd certainly consider a reasoned approach to reductions but you can't in one sentence say 'get of them all' but then only pick the ones you favor. |
Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3958371)
There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have high speed rail between our largest metro areas. It's a no brainer
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
(Post 3958371)
There is absolutely no reason we shouldn't have high speed rail between our largest metro areas. It's a no brainer
What will it take to get ROI for that investment, even if it gets finished? I don't have an answer, but it's a fair question to ask, and I'm highly skeptical it is worth it. |
Originally Posted by Meme In Command
(Post 3958342)
You do know part of the "China is advancing in infrastructure and tech" part is also investing in renewable energy right? Idk man, energy independence sounds pretty important to me in the nationals security list.
Agree. I'm an "all of the above" guy. Drill baby drill, but also do things smart/green where it makes sense. There is absolutely a place for electric cars. I will say I'm not a fan of wind farms, they take a looooong time to return on investment or CO2. And are ugly and noisy as heck.
Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3958373)
things i like are smart investment in national security. things i don’t like are pork legislation meant to buy votes.
is eviscerating our farming capacity and concentrating what’s left in the hands of agribusiness conglomerates a good national security move? one could argue that it leaves you dependent on food imports |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3958398)
$15 Billion so far in California, with nothing to show for it. Total estimate of $130B, as of now. I'd about guarantee it will skyrocket from there.
What will it take to get ROI for that investment, even if it gets finished? I don't have an answer, but it's a fair question to ask, and I'm highly skeptical it is worth it. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3958399)
Agree. I'm an "all of the above" guy. Drill baby drill, but also do things smart/green where it makes sense. There is absolutely a place for electric cars. I will say I'm not a fan of wind farms, they take a looooong time to return on investment or CO2. And are ugly and noisy as heck.
I'm in agreement with you there. It's a complicated subject, and has broader implications than first glance would suggest. |
Originally Posted by FangsF15
(Post 3958399)
I will say I'm not a fan of wind farms, they take a looooong time to return on investment or CO2. And are ugly and noisy as heck. |
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I've stood under a massive windmill as it spun, was a decently loud whoosh. Moved about 20 yeards away and it sounded about the same as the wind.
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Originally Posted by OOfff
(Post 3958402)
since you’re always all about the actual facts, you probably know that there’s a lot of on the ground work done. saying “with nothing to show for it” is quite incorrect.
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