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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers
(Post 4004035)
Now we have rich airline pilots who think that they are entitled to a government handout.
Originally Posted by CX500T
(Post 4004045)
You do realize a lot of us grew up poor, and worked to get where we are now but also understand how the other half lives far better than some always been rich guy who has a white knight complex right?
I grew up without an indoor toilet until junior high. I've been homeless. More than once. I understand what its like to be poor. All the white knighting in the world won't change my take of "if I paid same tax as dudebro X, I should get sane benefit even though I saved and he blew it all on hookers and blow." |
While we're on the topic of social security, I recently discovered a neat little mouse trap in the system that benefits the government but not the payer.
Say you're an airline employee with two jobs, like a military job. Say your airline job pays you about $250K. Delta pays the government 6.2% up to $176,100 and I pay 6.2% up to $176,100. Once you pay that amount, well, you stop paying those payroll taxes. Now, let's say you have a second employer who pays you about 70K. Again, 6.2% from each employer and employee. At the end of the year, you get credit towards your federal income taxes in the amount you "overpaid" SS's income cap of $176,100 (yay!, right?). Employer number one stopped paying at $176,100. So what about that 6.2% from your second employer? Whelp, the government keeps it. And you get no additional increase in benefits from your labor's contribution to Social Security. That extra 6.2% I produced with my labor is given directly to the government. I get no credit, and no added SS benefit. Cool beans. So in effect, this year (2025), my labor produced $21,836.40 + $5,642 = $27,478.40 in direct contributions to the Social Security scheme. One of the many hidden ways in which our tax code functions. That figure approaches 10% of every dollar I made. Before federal and state income taxes. Before local sales taxes. Before property taxes. Before all of it. 10%. |
Originally Posted by ohaiyo
(Post 4004093)
While we're on the topic of social security, I recently discovered a neat little mouse trap in the system that benefits the government but not the payer.
Say you're an airline employee with two jobs, like a military job. Say your airline job pays you about $250K. Delta pays the government 6.2% up to $176,100 and I pay 6.2% up to $176,100. Once you pay that amount, well, you stop paying those payroll taxes. Now, let's say you have a second employer who pays you about 70K. Again, 6.2% from each employer and employee. At the end of the year, you get credit towards your federal income taxes in the amount you "overpaid" SS's income cap of $176,100 (yay!, right?). Employer number one stopped paying at $176,100. So what about that 6.2% from your second employer? Whelp, the government keeps it. And you get no additional increase in benefits from your labor's contribution to Social Security. That extra 6.2% I produced with my labor is given directly to the government. I get no credit, and no added SS benefit. Cool beans. So in effect, this year (2025), my labor produced $21,836.40 + $5,642 = $27,478.40 in direct contributions to the Social Security scheme. One of the many hidden ways in which our tax code functions. That figure approaches 10% of every dollar I made. Before federal and state income taxes. Before local sales taxes. Before property taxes. Before all of it. 10%. (those are Joe Blow's exact words). |
Originally Posted by ohaiyo
(Post 4004093)
While we're on the topic of social security, I recently discovered a neat little mouse trap in the system that benefits the government but not the payer.
Say you're an airline employee with two jobs, like a military job. Say your airline job pays you about $250K. Delta pays the government 6.2% up to $176,100 and I pay 6.2% up to $176,100. Once you pay that amount, well, you stop paying those payroll taxes. Now, let's say you have a second employer who pays you about 70K. Again, 6.2% from each employer and employee. At the end of the year, you get credit towards your federal income taxes in the amount you "overpaid" SS's income cap of $176,100 (yay!, right?). Employer number one stopped paying at $176,100. So what about that 6.2% from your second employer? Whelp, the government keeps it. And you get no additional increase in benefits from your labor's contribution to Social Security. That extra 6.2% I produced with my labor is given directly to the government. I get no credit, and no added SS benefit. Cool beans. So in effect, this year (2025), my labor produced $21,836.40 + $5,642 = $27,478.40 in direct contributions to the Social Security scheme. One of the many hidden ways in which our tax code functions. That figure approaches 10% of every dollar I made. Before federal and state income taxes. Before local sales taxes. Before property taxes. Before all of it. 10%. Why should you get to stop paying ss at all? I have to pay it on my entire paycheck. |
Originally Posted by ohaiyo
(Post 4004093)
While we're on the topic of social security, I recently discovered a neat little mouse trap in the system that benefits the government but not the payer.
Say you're an airline employee with two jobs, like a military job. Say your airline job pays you about $250K. Delta pays the government 6.2% up to $176,100 and I pay 6.2% up to $176,100. Once you pay that amount, well, you stop paying those payroll taxes. Now, let's say you have a second employer who pays you about 70K. Again, 6.2% from each employer and employee. At the end of the year, you get credit towards your federal income taxes in the amount you "overpaid" SS's income cap of $176,100 (yay!, right?). Employer number one stopped paying at $176,100. So what about that 6.2% from your second employer? Whelp, the government keeps it. And you get no additional increase in benefits from your labor's contribution to Social Security. That extra 6.2% I produced with my labor is given directly to the government. I get no credit, and no added SS benefit. Cool beans. So in effect, this year (2025), my labor produced $21,836.40 + $5,642 = $27,478.40 in direct contributions to the Social Security scheme. One of the many hidden ways in which our tax code functions. That figure approaches 10% of every dollar I made. Before federal and state income taxes. Before local sales taxes. Before property taxes. Before all of it. 10%. Also, why are you including your employer's contribution in your math? Unless you're self-employed (which many pilots with side hustles are), that's somebody else's problem. Now that's straight SS, not medicare, which has no cap and you'd fall into the additional 0.9% bracket. But that's a different thing. |
Originally Posted by Esquamel
(Post 4003814)
. “Post-tax contributions” go into a 401a account rather than your existing 401k.
Also, there are a few different types of "in plan conversions": Converting employee pre-tax money, company pre-tax money and employee post-tax money. Converting any pre-tax money to Roth within the 401(k) is taxable event, so be careful. When converting post tax money (401(a) bucket) to Roth either within the 401(k) or rolling over to a Roth IRA (AKA Mega-Backdoor Roth), any gains on the funds are taxable. For this reason, I direct all my employee money to 401(a) and into the Stable Value Fund. With that fund there are virtually no gains, so no tax when I roll it over to Roth IRA. After the rollover, move the money to aggressive funds for non-taxable gains. |
Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
(Post 4004110)
Socialist talking point:
Why should you get to stop paying ss at all? I have to pay it on my entire paycheck. |
A fun exercise is to log onto the Social Security benefits website and look at your annual contributions over a lifetime.
Multiply that by 2 (employer pays an equal amount into Social Security). Ask yourself if you could have done something, anything better with that pool of cash over the years. -- (Side note: maximum SS tax for 2026 is $11,439 x 2 = $22,878 for those of us making over $180k ish this year) Personally, I just see it as yet another tax I'll never get any benefit from. Thank god Congress hasn't removed the cap on the taxable wage base. (For now. Although it would "fix" Social Security for awhile) |
Originally Posted by DWC CAP10 USAF
(Post 4004173)
No you don't....you stop contributing to SS after approx $176k of taxable income (2025 numbers)
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Originally Posted by Joe Bauers
(Post 4004037)
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