Even if you manually reject it, scheduling will often take the full 12 minutes, or more, to move on. I've seen some sit 30+ minutes.

What does American Airlines (AA) have to do with any of this?




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I think this is a big factor and one that the get rid of AA people don’t take into enough account. Instead of blaming fellow pilots we need to accept that the company is fully responsible for the mess we are in and the ball is in their court to fix it

You are correct--which is why I have very little to no sympathy for the company either. Read the posts on the FB page from the former scheduler, now pilot, lamenting the terrible place that crew scheduling is right now, with a lot of dysfunctional processes playing a major role in all this mess.

Still, I've always felt we are better, and need to be better than the company side of this arrangement.

Dude, stop trying to attack me via my upgrade. It doesn't make anything I said less true. I'm not throwing a pity party for myself. I'm highlighting the truth: As much as we wanna blame the company for this, you can't ignore the fact that no amount of hired schedulers will fix the bottleneck pilots are creating via slip usage. If you bought into the narrative that seniority entitles a few to implode the coverage ladder for the rest, them let's agree to disagree.

I will gladly vote to eliminate OOBWS.

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Let's vote to completely get rid of something that can be easily fixed because a few ruined it for everyone.

Yeah, outstanding logic 🤌

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Devil's advocate...the problem with that mindset is, wherever we pickup the slack to draw a new line in the sand, the company will always push farther, leaner, and squeeze pilots just as much.

Let's say in 2025 every pilot took extensions, less people called out sick, no one dropped trips, everyone stayed in the jet to thank customers and push wheelchairs, no one had auto-accepts in and coverage always finished instantly. Would the company still be hiring 700-1000+ pilots this year? Or would they say: wow look at our pilot performance, we can run even hotter and leaner next year! No need to hire...

That's why you fly the contract and nothing more. They had over twice the schedulers and individual RCOS batches 10 years ago, but chose this route instead to squeeze more juice.

Now you’re conflating your desire to flatten seniority with a completely separate topic.

The “slip bottleneck” was 100% created by management via lousy decision making. Pilots of ALL seniority ranges have blanket slips in with AA on. As much as you want to believe the myth that 23M7 payments are only going to the top of the seniority list, it is simply not true. Trying to blame management’s issues on senior pilots is delusional.

Your upgrade is relevant to the discussion because you continually act as if the seniority system is stacked against you, through no fault of your own. We’re not going to change longstanding industry practice to suit your personal choices.

I vote to just move OOBWS below in base GS.