Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 4016134)

They just need everyone to lay out the data. The swipe to sick calls was claimed to be 4x higher than normal.

Originally Posted by OneplusF (Post 4016146)

He directly threatened the order book if reliability didn’t improve. Failed to acknowledge their lack of hiring as a source of issues but did say they’re hiring full bore (go figure how to square that circle).

Overall it was not an impressive showing for FOPS management.

Originally Posted by OneplusF (Post 4016146)

OP must be drinking some Kool Aid. It was neither informative nor honest.

RG was defensive, argumentative, only got one softball (and was not nice about the response). He got hit with payback days, reliability letters, preposted rest, and pay questions. The softball was about A350 future destinations… “places” was the response. Real classy.

They blamed the pilots for their problems, took NO accountability beyond a tip of the hat towards acknowledging the reliability letters were not artfully issued and that was only after being called out (rightfully so) by a brave former CP who told them exactly how it affected him.

He directly threatened the order book if reliability didn’t improve. Failed to acknowledge their lack of hiring as a source of issues but did say they’re hiring full bore (go figure how to square that circle).

Overall it was not an impressive showing for FOPS management.

Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4016151)

Whoops, he mistakenly brought his regional management playbook to the meeting. If only that tactic worked at a legacy.

Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 4016103)

A friend of mine attended the meeting.

Some key (subjective and opinion-based) takeaways:

1) The core purpose of the meeting was made very clear. What we call open time, FLOPS calls "demand." Demand has spiked since November and held high ever since. The reason for this is data-based increase in sick call usage, particularly on weekends. The reason for this increase was VERY strongly implied as sick leave abuse. It's supposed to be on all of us to help stop it.

2) The shotgun approach to the sick letters may have been off target, but something HAD to be done.

3) The moratorium on PB day usage was clearly due to the monetary cost. As in, washing payback days was costing too much money. It wasn't (or if it was, it was an afterthought) about operational reliability, despite what the FLOPS messaging stated.

4) They acted unaware, or at least less-than aware of the impacts pre-posted rest was causing disruption and inefficiencies for RES pilots.

5) PB days being converted to vacation isn't a big deal because they can plan ahead for it.

EDIT: Friend said there were probably 130+ pilots in attendance. 2 free beers each and yummy BBQ food. Lots more was talked about so the above is not nearly an exhaustive list. Lots of encouraging IT upgrades promised to be happening behind the scenes, for example.

Originally Posted by OneplusF (Post 4016146)

OP must be drinking some Kool Aid. It was neither informative nor honest.

RG was defensive, argumentative, only got one softball (and was not nice about the response). He got hit with payback days, reliability letters, preposted rest, and pay questions. The softball was about A350 future destinations… “places” was the response. Real classy.

They blamed the pilots for their problems, took NO accountability beyond a tip of the hat towards acknowledging the reliability letters were not artfully issued and that was only after being called out (rightfully so) by a brave former CP who told them exactly how it affected him.

He directly threatened the order book if reliability didn’t improve. Failed to acknowledge their lack of hiring as a source of issues but did say they’re hiring full bore (go figure how to square that circle).

Overall it was not an impressive showing for FOPS management.

Originally Posted by OneplusF (Post 4016146)

He directly threatened the order book if reliability didn’t improve.

Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 4016178)

That's code for he's going to get fired if reliability doesn't improve.