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Verdell 03-23-2026 04:20 PM

Pilot FLOP event
 
A friend of mine attended the meeting.

Some key (subjective and opinion-based) takeaways:

1) The core purpose of the meeting was made very clear. What we call open time, FLOPS calls "demand." Demand has spiked since November and held high ever since. The reason for this is data-based increase in sick call usage, particularly on weekends. The reason for this increase was VERY strongly implied as sick leave abuse. It's supposed to be on all of us to help stop it.

2) The shotgun approach to the sick letters may have been off target, but something HAD to be done.

3) The moratorium on PB day usage was clearly due to the monetary cost. As in, washing payback days was costing too much money. It wasn't (or if it was, it was an afterthought) about operational reliability, despite what the FLOPS messaging stated.

4) They acted unaware, or at least less-than aware of the impacts pre-posted rest was causing disruption and inefficiencies for RES pilots.

5) PB days being converted to vacation isn't a big deal because they can plan ahead for it.

EDIT: Friend said there were probably 130+ pilots in attendance. 2 free beers each and yummy BBQ food. Lots more was talked about so the above is not nearly an exhaustive list. Lots of encouraging IT upgrades promised to be happening behind the scenes, for example.

AverageGPA 03-23-2026 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 4016103)
A friend of mine attended the meeting.

1) The core purpose of the meeting was made very clear. What we call open time, FLOPS calls "demand." Demand has spiked since November and held high ever since. The reason for this is data-based increase in sick call usage, particularly on weekends. The reason for this increase was VERY strongly implied as sick leave abuse. It's supposed to be on all of us to help stop it.

2) The shotgun approach to the sick letters may have been off target, but something HAD to be done

What an absolute crock of ****.

GutterGuard 03-23-2026 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 4016103)
A friend of mine attended the meeting.

Some key (subjective and opinion-based) takeaways:

1) The core purpose of the meeting was made very clear. What we call open time, FLOPS calls "demand." Demand has spiked since November and held high ever since. The reason for this is data-based increase in sick call usage, particularly on weekends. The reason for this increase was VERY strongly implied as sick leave abuse. It's supposed to be on all of us to help stop it.

2) The shotgun approach to the sick letters may have been off target, but something HAD to be done.

3) The moratorium on PB day usage was clearly due to the monetary cost. As in, washing payback days was costing too much money. It wasn't (or if it was, it was an afterthought) about operational reliability, despite what the FLOPS messaging stated.

4) They acted unaware of the fact that pre-posted rest was causing disruption and inefficiencies for RES pilots.

5) PB days being converted to vacation isn't a big deal because they can plan ahead for it.

That's not what they told us about eliminating the PB day mutual agreement. Should be an easy kill for the union if the C suite now openly says it was about money...

Thanks for sharing, dude.

CBreezy 03-23-2026 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 4016103)
A friend of mine attended the meeting.

Some key (subjective and opinion-based) takeaways:

1) The core purpose of the meeting was made very clear. What we call open time, FLOPS calls "demand." Demand has spiked since November and held high ever since. The reason for this is data-based increase in sick call usage, particularly on weekends. The reason for this increase was VERY strongly implied as sick leave abuse. It's supposed to be on all of us to help stop it.

2) The shotgun approach to the sick letters may have been off target, but something HAD to be done.

3) The moratorium on PB day usage was clearly due to the monetary cost. As in, washing payback days was costing too much money. It wasn't (or if it was, it was an afterthought) about operational reliability, despite what the FLOPS messaging stated.

4) They acted unaware of the fact that pre-posted rest was causing disruption and inefficiencies for RES pilots.

5) PB days being converted to vacation isn't a big deal because they can plan ahead for it.

1) this is just a reminder that in NYC, our second biggest base, in February there was a total of 5 additional sick occurrences total for the month. So, they straight up are lying about OT being driven by sick calls.

DisMyGamerTag 03-23-2026 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4016108)
1) this is just a reminder that in NYC, our second biggest base, in February there was a total of 5 additional sick occurrences total for the month. So, they straight up are lying about OT being driven by sick calls.

They just need everyone to lay out the data. The swipe to sick calls was claimed to be 4x higher than normal.

CBreezy 03-23-2026 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by DisMyGamerTag (Post 4016134)
They just need everyone to lay out the data. The swipe to sick calls was claimed to be 4x higher than normal.

4x higher yet, NYC laid the data out and it resulted in 5 total additional sick occurrences across all NB fleets in a month. I find that claim hard to believe.

Viper25 03-23-2026 05:46 PM

I wonder how many people showed up to this thing.

FangsF15 03-23-2026 06:17 PM

Sounds like a velvet, where they were in 100% transmit mode, and 0% receive.


CBreezy 03-23-2026 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by Viper25 (Post 4016137)
I wonder how many people showed up to this thing.

About 200. Standing room only

CX500T 03-23-2026 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4016144)
About 200. Standing room only

Please tell me it was a rowdy crowd giving Gummy the business.


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