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Verdell 03-26-2026 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by immolated (Post 4016967)
1) Gumm removed PB days, blaming pilots for "schedule churn", which is objectively a lie. We all know the pilots washing PB days keep and fly the trip with no operational impact. The glut of vacation in 2027 is going to be a huge operational impact that the company wanted to avoid when THEY enabled single PB days to be liquidated a decade ago. Gumm could have changed the PB cashout process to a smartsheet or something to avoid open time if that was the real problem. Instead, he lied. And cut their value in half against status-quo, with no warning during March, so people got screwed losing previously established compensation for working on their day off.

1) above is particularly true.

At the meet/greet of this thread, a question was asked about why the PB day nerf. The only explanation given was the monetary cost of PB day "washing." Something like $25 million in a month of washing.

When then asked why the email didn't say that, he sorta rambled on about how PB days work on reserve by wiping out availability or something (rolling thunder.)

I don't believe it was ever about operational reliability. It was all about the $$$.

But that's not in any email sent to pilots.

ancman 03-26-2026 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by SixStrngPilot (Post 4016952)
SILs, an excellent tool, meant, I believe to mitigate furloughs. It seems they went away quite unexpectedly and quietly in June 20…

That may be your most bot-like post yet.

You’re flying along, and suddenly find the aircraft at a 50 degree bank / 30 degrees nose up. How do you respond?

Abouttime2fish 03-26-2026 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4017070)
That may be your most bot-like post yet.

You’re flying along, and suddenly find the aircraft at a 50 degree bank / 30 degrees nose up. How do you respond?

Finish the barrel roll of course!

Gunfighter 03-26-2026 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4017070)
That may be your most bot-like post yet.

You’re flying along, and suddenly find the aircraft at a 50 degree bank / 30 degrees nose up. How do you respond?

Finish the chandelle? Add more bank to make it a cloverleaf next time?

DWC CAP10 USAF 03-26-2026 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by OscarRomeo (Post 4016947)
“It’s not a violation until an arbitrator says it is.”

That was Patrick Burns during a base visit to JFK.

Brian Pickett also said, in an email, “…the Company’s interpretation and implementation of contractual provisions will be in place UFN”


iLikeMoose 03-26-2026 02:07 PM

Forgive my brain fart, could somebody explain the "SIL" thing to me?

NorthernGuy 03-26-2026 02:21 PM

for those quick contract questions I like using https://airlinecontract.com/ , I tried challenging it with some difficult questions and the AI chat gives me quite good contract references and replies.

20Fathoms 03-26-2026 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by iLikeMoose (Post 4017080)
Forgive my brain fart, could somebody explain the "SIL" thing to me?

Fangs or someone else can give a complete breakdown but the TLDR is:

Company: COVID is wrecking us! We need to rebid the April schedule or we’ll lose 100 million dollars!

ALPA: Ok fine, but in exchange we get SILS.

Company: Deal!

ALPA: Ok April rebid is done, where’s our SILS?

RG: What’s a SIL? (smirks while he says it).

It left a very very bad taste in my mouth and I’m sure I’m not the only one.

hockeypilot44 03-26-2026 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 4017085)
Fangs or someone else can give a complete breakdown but the TLDR is:

Company: COVID is wrecking us! We need to rebid the April schedule or we’ll lose 100 million dollars!

ALPA: Ok fine, but in exchange we get SILS.

Company: Deal!

ALPA: Ok April rebid is done, where’s our SILS?

RG: What’s a SIL? (smirks while he says it).

It left a very very bad taste in my mouth and I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Then they doubled down by saying it wouldn’t be fair to offer us SIL’s as flight attendants were taking unpaid time off. They weren’t though. They were filing for unemployment that was upped by the government because of COVID to about their actual salary.

Don’t even get me started on the MD-88 captains downgraded to first officers while junior pilots stayed captains via a fake displacement, then immediate reinstatement.

You’re opening up old wounds. Lol.

Gone Flying 03-26-2026 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by iLikeMoose (Post 4017080)
Forgive my brain fart, could somebody explain the "SIL" thing to me?


Originally Posted by 20Fathoms (Post 4017085)
Fangs or someone else can give a complete breakdown but the TLDR is:

Company: COVID is wrecking us! We need to rebid the April schedule or we’ll lose 100 million dollars!

ALPA: Ok fine, but in exchange we get SILS.

Company: Deal!

ALPA: Ok April rebid is done, where’s our SILS?

RG: What’s a SIL? (smirks while he says it).

It left a very very bad taste in my mouth and I’m sure I’m not the only one.

fathoms did a good breakdown, but it was a little more. Like he said, after the April’s schedule was published the Company asked for a do over because of the massive change in the world since March 4th when bidding opened. ALPA agrees to this and something else (that’s escaping my memory right now) as well as agreeing to SILs at a specified value of 55 hours. ( a SIL was a no fly line) this value was in response to AA and several other carriers offering the same thing at that value. they even went into DBMS and unlocked the SIL bidding feature. after the April re bid when pressed on when they would make the SILs available for the May bid period the company did a “well aktually” and said they were not required to offer them and there would be no such offer. ALPA didn’t think management was going to go back on their deal because SILs were the definition of a win/win. Shortly after the company sent several emails out to all the employees thanking the non cons who went on unpaid leave and filed for unemployment (while DL was getting government funding to pay their salaries) then proceed to blame the pilots for DLs financial woes. Fast forward a few months and RG announced even after we had over 1,700 early outs the company would furlough 1,941 pilots. When asked by one of the pilots who would be getting furloughed what avenues the company was pursuing to mitigate furloughs and if they had reconsidered SILs, RG laughed and said “what’s a SIL”


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