Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 4017146)

LOA 20-01, paragraph 3:

3. Special Incentive Line

For the May and June 2020 bid periods, the parties agree to reinstate Special Incentive Line (“SIL”) LOA #2 and amend as follows:

Delete Paragraph 2. 3)

Amend Paragraph 9. a) to read:

a) a pilot will receive a SIL guarantee of 55 hours of pay and credit at his applicable composite hourly rate.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 4017108)

We also voted to pay their COBRA while out on UNA.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4017142)

I believe the language allowed the company to offer SILs at lower values with the concurrence of the MEC Chairman or his designee or something like that. In this instance, the company got the approval of either scheduling chairman or vice chairman (my memory is hazy on details) and there was quite a shakeup. Then, after that, the union said they'd no longer approve them at lower than 55 hours.

Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 4017146)

LOA 20-01, paragraph 3:

3. Special Incentive Line

For the May and June 2020 bid periods, the parties agree to reinstate Special Incentive Line (“SIL”) LOA #2 and amend as follows:

Delete Paragraph 2. 3)

Amend Paragraph 9. a) to read:

a) a pilot will receive a SIL guarantee of 55 hours of pay and credit at his applicable composite hourly rate.

Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 4017153)

65 hours of 717 pay. I was one of them.

Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4017140)

UNA (Unassigned, paid at the lowest FO rate in the company, had been in the contract for a while also, but nobody really knew much about it, or expected it to ever be exercised.

The irony about SIL’s and UNA, is that in the end, no pilot was actually furloughed (though the notices were canceled the day before the furlough was supposed to actually happen. No stress for those poor souls… /S), and every pilot on property ended up getting paid full pay throughout the whole thing, including many pilots who went 8 to 10 months sitting at home unqualified or expired for landings. If the company were actually interested in saving money, they would have max used SIL’s. At the time they were initially negotiated, the Goodwill of the pilot group was with the company, and many many pilots would have taken them.

in the end, although many pilots were displaced to lower paying equipment, (which certainly hurt) No pilot ever got less than 72 hours of 717FO pay. The same cannot be said for the rest of the company which took at least a 25% per pay cut.

Interestingly, management took a pay cut on paper, but ended up putting it back with bonuses after Covid was over.

Originally Posted by CX500T (Post 4017153)

65 hours of 717 pay. I was one of them.

Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 4017108)

Mother of all displacement bids

UNA

SIL

You'd have to go back to C16 to find the def of SIL as I think it was removed from C19 - now it's just UNA (unassigned pilots). In C19, if UNA'd they get paid per 22.B, or something to that effect. Unlike when they UNA'd dudes back in 2021. They basically got the shaft. Not a furlough, but pretty dang close. We also voted to pay their COBRA while out on UNA.

Lots of moving parts during that time frame, and yes agree with RvR up there, DALPA should publish the greatest hits of that period. Serve as a reminder to the juniors that were hired post cOvId under unicorns and rainbows what this place is really all about.

Originally Posted by connollc (Post 4017135)

And the ALPA Section 6 lanyards should have all the FOPS greatest hits on it…

”Its not a violation until…”
“Whats a SIL”

etc etc

Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 4017146)

LOA 20-01, paragraph 3:

3. Special Incentive Line

For the May and June 2020 bid periods, the parties agree to reinstate Special Incentive Line (“SIL”) LOA #2 and amend as follows:

Delete Paragraph 2. 3)

Amend Paragraph 9. a) to read:

a) a pilot will receive a SIL guarantee of 55 hours of pay and credit at his applicable composite hourly rate.

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4017142)

I believe the language allowed the company to offer SILs at lower values with the concurrence of the MEC Chairman or his designee or something like that. In this instance, the company got the approval of either scheduling chairman or vice chairman (my memory is hazy on details) and there was quite a shakeup. Then, after that, the union said they'd no longer approve them at lower than 55 hours.

Originally Posted by Gone Flying (Post 4017166)

while this was true for most UNAs, those of us who had not finished initial OE (about 400 of us) were stuck on the old training pay until loa 20-04 passed. It was a fixed salary but I think it was about 5k before taxes or 54ish hours of year 1 pay. Plus we had to pay GA taxes the whole time regardless of where we lived because administratively we were still GA employees. Still beats a furlough though.

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