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Hotel Kilo 04-03-2026 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4019415)
Oh. We aren't allowed to have opinions here? Only you? By all means, continue.

Whatever....you always act like the smartest person in the room, you're not.

I'm back on topic now. Can't wait to read the email on Monday.

ancman 04-03-2026 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 4019410)
I don't think it implies that.

the nuances here are the company really really wants something and our MEC/NC are measuring and tempering their public messaging

This like what your second contract here?

The Engage podcast is much clearer than the email in stating that this is the approach ALPA is seeking.

Personally, I think it’s the wrong approach. Time is on our side as management continues to sweat through massive coverage costs. But I’ll withhold further judgement until details are released.

Hotel Kilo 04-03-2026 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4019419)
The Engage podcast is much clearer than the email in stating that this is the approach ALPA is seeking.

Personally, I think it’s the wrong approach. Time is on our side as management continues to sweat through massive coverage costs. But I’ll withhold further judgement until details are released.

Disagree. If it wasn't condusive they wouldn't mention the potential of it. The company wants something. If we can stitch it up in short order all the better.

ancman 04-03-2026 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo (Post 4019421)
Disagree. If it wasn't condusive they wouldn't mention the potential of it. The company wants something. If we can stitch it up in short order all the better.

Auto accept is the single most valuable piece of leverage this pilot group has ever had. Management will do everything they can to pry it out of our hands at a discount. Pushing a mediocre, limited scope, short-term deal that plays on the fears of a “forever war” will be their first step.

Hotel Kilo 04-03-2026 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4019422)
Auto accept is the single most valuable piece of leverage this pilot group has ever had. Management will do everything they can to pry it out of our hands at a discount. Pushing a mediocre, limited scope, short term deal that plays on the fears of a “forever war” will be their first step.

The MEC said they're not going to do that. "Mediocre" for the sake of expediency.

I'll see myself out until Monday.

StoneQOLdCrazy 04-03-2026 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4019419)
The Engage podcast is much clearer than the email in stating that this is the approach ALPA is seeking.

Personally, I think it’s the wrong approach. Time is on our side as management continues to sweat through massive coverage costs. But I’ll withhold further judgement until details are released.

If there is some way to get the big executives (new COO?) involved early...and somehow bypass or neuter Gumm's incompetence and ham-fisted underlings, it's worth a shot.
Nothing ever happens in negotiations until Bastian wants it done. If he wants it done early, the only question is if they're willing to pay a premium for it. If not, back to Plan A, I guess. Maybe Bastian wants this off his plate so he can coast into retirement and focus on the important thing: finding his next stewardess baby mamma.

It's got to be worth our while, though.

hockeypilot44 04-03-2026 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4019422)
Auto accept is the single most valuable piece of leverage this pilot group has ever had. Management will do everything they can to pry it out of our hands at a discount. Pushing a mediocre, limited scope, short-term deal that plays on the fears of a “forever war” will be their first step.

It’s leverage but in order to cash in that leverage, you have to sell it and let it go. Holding onto the leverage indefinitely does not get us a deal.

ancman 04-03-2026 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 4019430)
It’s leverage but in order to cash in that leverage, you have to sell it and let it go. Holding onto the leverage indefinitely does not get us a deal.

Right, but cashing it in for limited, short-term patchwork would be malfeasance. Management could take back auto-accept on Monday if they’re willing to sign a comprehensive, long-term deal that blows away the rest of the industry.

They won’t be doing that anytime soon. If the MEC stays true to their word, then this is going to be a long cycle. I’m fine with that.

CBreezy 04-03-2026 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by ancman (Post 4019433)
Right, but cashing it in for limited, short-term patchwork would be malfeasance. Management could take back auto-accept on Monday if they’re willing to sign a comprehensive, long-term deal that blows away the rest of the industry.

They won’t be doing that anytime soon. If ALPA stays true to their stated word, this is going to be a long cycle. I’m fine with that.

Why are we assuming a long term deal is a good thing? Anything longer than 3 years is considered detrimental to pilot groups. A short term deal will certainly not be shorter than 2.

ancman 04-03-2026 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4019434)
Why are we assuming a long term deal is a good thing? Anything longer than 3 years is considered detrimental to pilot groups. A short term deal will certainly not be shorter than 2.

A 3-year deal could easily drag into an 8-year deal if we burn all of our leverage now.


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