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demon llama 04-19-2026 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Uninteresting (Post 4025222)
are we talking about dating here?

yes. And marriage.

demon llama 04-19-2026 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4025235)
Soft, but respectful, disagree here. It’s not a co-equal partnership. Sorry, it’s just not. Especially with the more historic slope of upgrades.

I’m not going to refuse your return gesture, though I will put up a tacit defense at least once. 😉. Just like my kids occasionally wanting to pick up dinner. I appreciate they are trying to demonstrate their ability to ‘adult’. But it’s not equal. I won’t allow a 50/50 split over time when my ability to pay is so much greater. But I fully agree it would be rude for them not to be allowed to sometimes. Maybe that will change someday, when I’m old and they are changing my diaper… 😂

at the bar in hover hotel it’s an equal relationship. I understand your over all point tho.

Joe Bauers 04-19-2026 01:55 PM

Before you know it, FOs will be expecting captains to do walk arounds and buy them dinner.😂

Nantonaku 04-19-2026 02:35 PM

I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

FangsF15 04-19-2026 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by demon llama (Post 4025258)
at the bar in hover hotel it’s an equal relationship. I understand your over all point tho.

Yeah, you are right about that part.

m3113n1a1 04-19-2026 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4025272)
I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

I fly with lots who are easily making 300k. Live in base, hustle a little and it's not hard at all.

GutterGuard 04-19-2026 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4025272)
I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

A year 5 FO who never lifts a finger and collects reserve guarantee will clear $220k in flight pay.

It's no stretch of the imagination for one to make $300k in flight pay if they click some buttons in iCrew and fly some premium. That's not even thinking about profit sharing.

Khantahr 04-19-2026 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4025272)
I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

A couple days of premium per month and a year 3+ NB FO will clear 300k pretty easily.

AverageGPA 04-19-2026 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4025272)
I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

It takes some work & playing the slip game, but otherwise easy to achieve, if you live in base especially. I was $300k+ with year 3 pay. Worked too much, though.

iaflyer 04-19-2026 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4025272)
I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

If you work a bit extra via WS/GS and work the system, a 3rd year FO can easily bring in more than $300k.

Now if you're got family or wife that fills your days off with activities.. it's gonna be a lot harder.

tennisguru 04-19-2026 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by m3113n1a1 (Post 4025277)
I fly with lots who are easily making 300k. Live in base, hustle a little and it's not hard at all.

300 is just the beginning. I know a few who made 500+. Heck, at the rate I'm averaging per month through April I'm on track for close to 500, and that's on the 717. 300+ takes a steady but not insane flow of premium trips, and right now premium trips seem to be flowing like milk and honey in many NBB categories. I have no data but I'd wager that this year, with 23m7, full steam on training/OE buyoffs, and critical short staffing, we will have a record number of FO's making 300, 400, and 500+. Unless of course oil dorks up everything and we do a big draw down in flying. In that case all bets are off.

DeltaboundRedux 04-19-2026 04:10 PM

After perusing this thread I’m now going to have to insist that FOs buy me a coffee from now on.

Verdell 04-19-2026 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4025272)
I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

Current 3-5 year NB FO's are almost certainly sub 50% in category (sub 20-30% in some categories) and can seriously flex their seniority muscles to achieve $300k+ on the easy premium happening this year. But when NB FO QS#7 is being awarded to senior before the middle of the month, being local in that category at any seniority (and having some personal schedule flexibility) can make bank.

beernutt 04-19-2026 05:01 PM

Since we’re talking about senior/junior has anyone done a wellness check on meme in command? Normally any discussion of seniority in seat brings him like flies at a picnic.

demon llama 04-19-2026 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Nantonaku (Post 4025272)
I’m still trying to figure out if FO’s really pull down $300k here normally? Seems like an exaggeration, definitely believe there are WB FO’s that can do that easy but are the majority of 3-5 year NB FO’s really doing that? Feel like I never made that as an FO.

at this current rate I could clear almost $400k this year. I’ll also be dead.

TegridyFarms 04-19-2026 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 4025149)
One thing I’ve learned personally as I’ve matured is that a part of being well-rounded emotionally is having the capacity to accept the generosity of others, even when I am not in any form of need. Many times the person being generous (in this case, by buying dinner) gets more satisfaction and enjoyment than the person receiving the generosity. Pushing back against someone trying to be generous robs them of some level of happiness brought by being generous. So in any normal situation I’ve learned to just graciously accept when someone wants to do a kind gesture for me, again even when I am not in any sort of want or need. Obviously there are limits, like I’m not going to let someone ruin their own financial life for my sake, but that’s not what anyone here is talking about.

Take out everything after “Obviously…” and you sound like a Fans Only “model.”

GogglesPisano 04-20-2026 05:26 AM

I'll buy as long as they tip the van driver. I haven't flown with new hires in a while but more than a few post-Covid hires refused to do this.

Tradition and all.

GogglesPisano 04-20-2026 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by beernutt (Post 4025317)
Since we’re talking about senior/junior has anyone done a wellness check on meme in command? .

Or Ooff. I haven't seen his posts in a while.

CBreezy 04-20-2026 05:32 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 4025448)
Or Ooff. I haven't seen his posts in a while.

Looks like ooof is in timeout. The last post was 3/10 so it might be permanent. I hope it isn't

GogglesPisano 04-20-2026 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4025449)
Looks like ooof is in timeout. The last post was 3/10 so it might be permanent. I hope it isn't

Holy Crap he's banned! What did he do? I didn't always agree with the guy but, banned?

tennisguru 04-20-2026 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4025449)
Looks like ooof is in timeout. The last post was 3/10 so it might be permanent. I hope it isn't

The only proper response to this is…oof…

CBreezy 04-20-2026 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 4025451)
Holy Crap he's banned! What did he do? I didn't always agree with the guy but, banned?

Banned doesn't always mean permanent. I hope this is the case of a time out

icohftb 04-20-2026 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 4025451)
Holy Crap he's banned! What did he do? I didn't always agree with the guy but, banned?

Probably busted for racketeering

biigD 04-20-2026 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 4025454)
Banned doesn't always mean permanent. I hope this is the case of a time out

Wait a minute, aren't you two the same guy? ;)

CBreezy 04-20-2026 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 4025484)
Wait a minute, aren't you two the same guy? ;)

So they keep telling me even after all our disagreements. Haha. I don't mind arguing with myself, as it turns out.

Khantahr 04-20-2026 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 4025447)
I'll buy as long as they tip the van driver. I haven't flown with new hires in a while but more than a few post-Covid hires refused to do this.

Tradition and all.

Ah yes, tipping van drivers for literally just doing their job. Especially when they're late and don't ever get out of their seat.

rickair7777 04-20-2026 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 4025237)
Holy crap, the things people worry about. I just learned that there is a group of people that think it's disrespectful to ask "so what do you do" (for work), in conversation when meeting someone new. I just see it as a nice conversation starter that usually leads to family, hobbies, etc... All it showed me is that people get worked up over the dumbest stuff. If a Captain offers to buy, take them up on it, they're not doing it to extract anything. If the FO offers a coffee, take them up on it as well. It all works itself out in the end and it's just beyond ridiculous to worry about these things. I guess you can add this to the list of reasons I much prefer to just do turns and never overnight lol.

Post written after a good friend/squadron mate/Deltoid/APC dweller showed up to my house unannounced with a six pack that has now been downed. He's even an FO, so I guess I shouldn't have let him buy the beers we drank. :D

Yeah, just kind of go with the flow. I certainly wouldn't assume someone is trying to "control" me, because If I'm the one offering to buy I'm just somewhere on the spectrum of being nice, doing what's expected, or paying it forward. Most people aren't doing it to control.

Do be flexible... there are some FO's who are way better off than some CA's. Maybe they politely decline, especially if everybody knows the lay of the land. Some CA's may be not well off at all (divorce, family illness, etc)... maybe that guy doesn't offer to buy, and that's OK too.

If dinner/drinks is even up for discussion, then two people already decided *not* to slam-click, so it shouldn't be that hard to sort out.

If somebody offers to buy a coffee, just accept if you want one. We can all afford Starbucks these days.

Viper25 04-20-2026 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 4025497)
I certainly wouldn't assume someone is trying to "control" me, because If I'm the one offering to buy I'm just somewhere on the spectrum of being nice, doing what's expected, or paying it forward. Most people aren't doing it to control.

100%. The notion that somebody insisting on doing something generous means they have control issues is crazy. I don’t doubt that a few could be that way, but they are certainly outliers and most people are just trying to be nice.

To place “control freak” as one of the more plausible/likely explanations is to really, really, overthink this.

GogglesPisano 04-20-2026 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 4025488)
Ah yes, tipping van drivers for literally just doing their job. Especially when they're late and don't ever get out of their seat.

I tip $1 per bag carried. Or $5 total for a long safe drive. Otherwise no tip (Skyhop to the training center ...) YMMV.

Why should a captain buy dinner for a pilot who's "Just doing his job?"

They're both "Traditions."

Variable39 04-20-2026 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 4025518)
I tip $1 per bag carried. Or $5 total for a long safe drive. Otherwise no tip (Skyhop to the training center ...) YMMV.

Why should a captain buy dinner for a pilot who's "Just doing his job?"

They're both "Traditions."

Same. OE guide for my fleet actually says “Tip your van driver, don’t be a cheap airline pilot” 😂

FangsF15 04-20-2026 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 4025484)
Wait a minute, aren't you two the same guy? ;)

I know this is sarcasm, but I can vouch for the fact they are not the same person.

Joe Bauers 04-20-2026 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 4025488)
Ah yes, tipping van drivers for literally just doing their job. Especially when they're late and don't ever get out of their seat.

Yeah, like buying your coworkers drinks when they are literally just doing their job.😏

AverageGPA 04-20-2026 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Khantahr (Post 4025488)
Ah yes, tipping van drivers for literally just doing their job. Especially when they're late and don't ever get out of their seat.

Do you tip the bartenders who pour your beer?

hockeypilot44 04-20-2026 03:06 PM

I buy the first officer beer if we’re having any together. If he/she says “thank you,” I’ll buy the next time. If not, I’m done buying them beer. To me, it’s just a small gesture of appreciation for making my job as captain as easy as possible.

It’s pretty simple. Having beers is pretty rare to begin with these days with the optimizer. If we do have some, it’s never more than 2 per person anyway. The tabs never more than $80 out the door. I usually get an appetizer too.

demon llama 04-20-2026 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Viper25 (Post 4025501)
100%. The notion that somebody insisting on doing something generous means they have control issues is crazy. I don’t doubt that a few could be that way, but they are certainly outliers and most people are just trying to be nice.

To place “control freak” as one of the more plausible/likely explanations is to really, really, overthink this.

jeeeeezus ****in Christ nobody was saying that

Xray678 04-20-2026 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 4025656)
I buy the first officer beer if we’re having any together. If he/she says “thank you,” I’ll buy the next time. If not, I’m done buying them beer. To me, it’s just a small gesture of appreciation for making my job as captain as easy as possible.

It’s pretty simple. Having beers is pretty rare to begin with these days with the optimizer. If we do have some, it’s never more than 2 per person anyway. The tabs never more than $80 out the door. I usually get an appetizer too.

I’m so glad I’m senior enough to fly turns……

Rvr330 04-20-2026 05:47 PM

Even on the wb fleet, if capt invites, they always pay first round at a minimum. Most of the time, one of the capt would pay for bus driver tips for the whole crew as well.

Whoever on a gs always offer to pay van tips for the whole crew

m3113n1a1 04-20-2026 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 4025656)
I buy the first officer beer if we’re having any together. If he/she says “thank you,” I’ll buy the next time. If not, I’m done buying them beer. To me, it’s just a small gesture of appreciation for making my job as captain as easy as possible.

It’s pretty simple. Having beers is pretty rare to begin with these days with the optimizer. If we do have some, it’s never more than 2 per person anyway. The tabs never more than $80 out the door. I usually get an appetizer too.

Okay, you're forgiven for never doing walk arounds.

tripled 04-20-2026 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 4025553)
I know this is sarcasm, but I can vouch for the fact they are not the same person.

cb at least seems like you could hang out and talk surfing or sports or whatever and still get along. Oofff was all antagonism all the time with some axe to grind as if he was going to make a bunch of strangers see how foolish they are for disagreeing with his political worldview. Glad to hear he got a break - I was noticing that the pages seemed a little more civil lately and now know why

back on topic- Capt beer is the best beer. Always appreciate when he offers. Also have never once thought that coffee was somehow a domination play. That’s just weird.

CBreezy 04-20-2026 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by tripled (Post 4025724)
cb at least seems like you could hang out and talk surfing or sports or whatever and still get along. Oofff was all antagonism all the time with some axe to grind as if he was going to make a bunch of strangers see how foolish they are for disagreeing with his political worldview. Glad to hear he got a break - I was noticing that the pages seemed a little more civil lately and now know why

back on topic- Capt beer is the best beer. Always appreciate when he offers. Also have never once thought that coffee was somehow a domination play. That’s just weird.

Surfing? How dare you! You take that shark teasing death wish to a different bar.


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