To the younger folks in pilot group
#181
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For years I was all about paying my house off early. I wanted that debt gone. I understand why people feel that way.
Then 2021 and the next 5 years happened. I got a 2.25% mortgage, and I became way more senior. In a nod to Ramsey, it’s a 15 year mortgage,
The mortgage, as a percent of my take home, is incredible low. I’m able to save $4000 a month in a taxable account, invested in a mix of assets including stock ETFs.
My taxable account has ballooned over the last few years to the point where I have enough to pay off my house. A good year in the market covers 2 years of mortgage expenses.
My plan absolutely has more risk, as the market could take a 50% dump and I get furloughed. However, overtime, if one is an aggressive saver, the risk profile becomes less and less as the delta (mortgage vs taxable balance) grows.
In my opinion, the risk profile is most critical when people pre-pay their mortgage before having enough to pay their balance off. Using the poster above who is paying $10,000 extra a month, that’s money that’s gone, or at least difficult to get back. In a downturn, I’d rather have that money to figure life out. I’d at least wait until you can pay the mortgage off in one payment.
Then 2021 and the next 5 years happened. I got a 2.25% mortgage, and I became way more senior. In a nod to Ramsey, it’s a 15 year mortgage,
The mortgage, as a percent of my take home, is incredible low. I’m able to save $4000 a month in a taxable account, invested in a mix of assets including stock ETFs.
My taxable account has ballooned over the last few years to the point where I have enough to pay off my house. A good year in the market covers 2 years of mortgage expenses.
My plan absolutely has more risk, as the market could take a 50% dump and I get furloughed. However, overtime, if one is an aggressive saver, the risk profile becomes less and less as the delta (mortgage vs taxable balance) grows.
In my opinion, the risk profile is most critical when people pre-pay their mortgage before having enough to pay their balance off. Using the poster above who is paying $10,000 extra a month, that’s money that’s gone, or at least difficult to get back. In a downturn, I’d rather have that money to figure life out. I’d at least wait until you can pay the mortgage off in one payment.
#182
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For years I was all about paying my house off early. I wanted that debt gone. I understand why people feel that way.
Then 2021 and the next 5 years happened. I got a 2.25% mortgage, and I became way more senior. In a nod to Ramsey, it’s a 15 year mortgage,
The mortgage, as a percent of my take home, is incredible low. I’m able to save $4000 a month in a taxable account, invested in a mix of assets including stock ETFs.
My taxable account has ballooned over the last few years to the point where I have enough to pay off my house. A good year in the market covers 2 years of mortgage expenses.
My plan absolutely has more risk, as the market could take a 50% dump and I get furloughed. However, overtime, if one is an aggressive saver, the risk profile becomes less and less as the delta (mortgage vs taxable balance) grows.
In my opinion, the risk profile is most critical when people pre-pay their mortgage before having enough to pay their balance off. Using the poster above who is paying $10,000 extra a month, that’s money that’s gone, or at least difficult to get back. In a downturn, I’d rather have that money to figure life out. I’d at least wait until you can pay the mortgage off in one payment.
Then 2021 and the next 5 years happened. I got a 2.25% mortgage, and I became way more senior. In a nod to Ramsey, it’s a 15 year mortgage,
The mortgage, as a percent of my take home, is incredible low. I’m able to save $4000 a month in a taxable account, invested in a mix of assets including stock ETFs.
My taxable account has ballooned over the last few years to the point where I have enough to pay off my house. A good year in the market covers 2 years of mortgage expenses.
My plan absolutely has more risk, as the market could take a 50% dump and I get furloughed. However, overtime, if one is an aggressive saver, the risk profile becomes less and less as the delta (mortgage vs taxable balance) grows.
In my opinion, the risk profile is most critical when people pre-pay their mortgage before having enough to pay their balance off. Using the poster above who is paying $10,000 extra a month, that’s money that’s gone, or at least difficult to get back. In a downturn, I’d rather have that money to figure life out. I’d at least wait until you can pay the mortgage off in one payment.
#183
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My home loan is at 2.1% which is less than inflation.. The bank looses money every year on my mortgage. I do split my payments into bi weekly vs a monthly payment. Still the same amount overall but it saves me on compounding which over the life of my mortgage is about $50k
#185
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There’s also the intrinsic value of living life to the fullest now vs. the mindset of “when I’m 60 I’ll do XYZ.” “Fullest” does not mean financially stupid, but spending money to enjoy life and make memories can be a lot more satisfying and “worth it” than dumping tons of extra money into a low rate mortgage.
#186
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At our income levels, there is zero excuse to not have 6-12 months of liquidity for emergencies, especially if you're at a place like Spirit that has been shrinking and furloughing over the last year
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https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/th...nk-about-debt/
So here is a good article on a positive reason to paying off a mortgage early. What people don’t factor into when comparing 10% S and P and some percentage mortgage is that you pay taxes on capital gains, so they’re not using the correct numbers.
So here is a good article on a positive reason to paying off a mortgage early. What people don’t factor into when comparing 10% S and P and some percentage mortgage is that you pay taxes on capital gains, so they’re not using the correct numbers.
Borrow cash against them tax free (loan proceeds are not considered taxable income), then when you die transfer them to your heir which resets the cost basis to market value. This allows them to sell the stocks with little to no capital gains tax liability.
#188
If you have the cash to pay it off, then a paid off mortgage is a choice. Paying down principle is tying up money in an illiquid 3-6% bond.
#189
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There’s also the intrinsic value of living life to the fullest now vs. the mindset of “when I’m 60 I’ll do XYZ.” “Fullest” does not mean financially stupid, but spending money to enjoy life and make memories can be a lot more satisfying and “worth it” than dumping tons of extra money into a low rate mortgage.
Also a great point! Too many don't get the option to do it later.
You don’t pay taxes on capital gains unless you sell the stock.
Borrow cash against them tax free (loan proceeds are not considered taxable income), then when you die transfer them to your heir which resets the cost basis to market value. This allows them to sell the stocks with little to no capital gains tax liability.
Borrow cash against them tax free (loan proceeds are not considered taxable income), then when you die transfer them to your heir which resets the cost basis to market value. This allows them to sell the stocks with little to no capital gains tax liability.
Now we're going places. Another option, rather than sell a stock to give to charity, donate an appreciated stock to that charity. Less tax burden and more money to your charity.
#190
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I don't mean this to sound needlessly harsh, but if all of the excellent info & advice in this thread didn't convince you to take another look at your current plan then I don't know what will. As long as you and your family are aware of the significant financial penalty you're taking for this warm fuzzy then I guess, good job for pouring all that money into your mortgage?
Because while it's not exactly the same as a mortgage, it is very similar in most of the ways that matter.
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