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HiFly5

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23k question

Hello all,

Question please. 3 day started this morning. Day one was a turn and then 3rd leg to a layover. The turn got equipment swapped so they pulled me off it, and changed my airport report time to 1 hour prior to the 3rd leg.

my question is, the entire trip is not eligible for 23k is it? Is what they did legal?

Thanks.

Today | 03:27 AM

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That's effectively your 23k recovery obligation.

Today | 04:01 AM

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yes, it's legal. they changed your rotation by effectively removing it from your line. they then removed the turn and assigned you your 23k trip immediately.

Today | 04:24 AM

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And IROP on *your* rotation means you are subject to "new" 23K rotation...even if it looks very similar to the original rotation you were awarded.

Legal.

Today | 04:31 AM

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That’s textbook definition of 23k.

Today | 04:38 AM

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All good responses here. I'd recommend going into the PWA and looking up the definition of IROP. It's extremely broad and includes equipment swaps.

Today | 05:06 AM

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I wish they would just be more transparent in what they were doing. Just put 23k on the schedule and a new rotation number. Simple, easy, everyone can tell what happened.

Today | 05:20 AM

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I wish they would just be more transparent in what they were doing. Just put 23k on the schedule and a new rotation number. Simple, easy, everyone can tell what happened.

It's a feature not a bug, and the Company exploits it willy-nilly. Having said that, a pilot who knows the rules can make a lot of money catching them in the act.

I tell new pilots to imagine they're about to walk across a minefield in the dark when they look down and find a shrink-wrapped book titled "How to Avoid Getting Blown Up in a Minefield." Wouldn't you grab it, rip it open, and read it cover-to-cover twice before putting one toe in? A lot of Delta pilots (old and new) stroll right past that book and step straight into CS's minefield.

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Today | 05:42 AM

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It's a feature not a bug, and the Company exploits it willy-nilly. Having said that, a pilot who knows the rules can make a lot of money catching them in the act.

I tell new pilots to imagine they're about to walk across a minefield in the dark when they look down and find a shrink-wrapped book titled "How to Avoid Getting Blown Up in a Minefield." Wouldn't you grab it, rip it open, and read it cover-to-cover twice before putting on toe in? A lot of Delta pilots (old and new) stroll right past that book and step straight into CS's minefield.

Plot twist: the book is 1,000 pages long and was written by 100 different lawyers.

Today | 06:20 AM

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Plot twist: the book is 1,000 pages long and was written by 100 different lawyers.

It's not that bad. Not the easiest at times but guys are so lazy and have such an aversion to even opening the thing. They'd rather call and chew out crew scheduling and complain about how the schedulers don't even know the rules. And often it's:

1. You're wrong, good job making us look like idiots (no wonder they think we're all dumb).
2. How can you expect this scheduler who was hired 2 months ago to be well versed in the pilot contract when you, Mr. Pilot, have been here 25 years and don't have the faintest clue what it says?

"Raaaa it's so hard, wah ALPA sucks!"