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Old 02-13-2013 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
I think the opening price will be close to $19 per share?
merger was priced in days ago, imo
Old 02-13-2013 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Ok, any math geniuses out there? I bought 30 contracts with a 13 strike price of LCC in my DC plan for an average price of $1.53. That's like me holding 3000 shares of LCC at 14.53. In AH it went up to 14.90 but the market cap is going to go up by $700 Million by AM, I hope based on 162.47 million shares and a market cap of $2.38 billion. LCC's share is $3.080 billion. I think the opening price will be close to $19 per share?

Old 02-13-2013 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by boog123
merger was priced in days ago, imo
Well if that's the case, I hope 14.90 holds in the am.
Old 02-13-2013 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
No wonder Clamp is up all night, chainging that kids diapers!!

And who thought it was a good idea to let kids have internet access??!
Old 02-13-2013 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Ok, any math geniuses out there? I bought 30 contracts with a 13 strike price of LCC in my DC plan for an average price of $1.53. That's like me holding 3000 shares of LCC at $14.53. In AH it went up to 14.90 but the market cap is going to go up by $700 Million by AM, I hope based on 162.47 million shares and a market cap of $2.38 billion. LCC's share is $3.080 billion. I think the opening price will be close to $19 per share?
Have you ever bought/sold options before? It's NOT like you are holding 3,000 shares at 14.53. You simply have the OPTION to purchase 3,000 shares at 13. IF you exercised the option, you would then have to pony up $39,000. Of course if the price then hits $19, the account value would then be $57,000. If sold at $19, the profit would be $13,410.
Right now, you just own the options. You paid $4,590. As the Feb options close Friday, an underlying stock price of $19 would show your 13 strike with a price of around $6. If you simply closed the position (automatically closes at the end of Friday), the proceeds would be approximately $18K for a profit of $13,410.
One big difference is the tax implications. You pay short term gains on closing the contract. If exercised (you buy the underlying stock at $13), there are no tax implications until you then sell the shares.
Old 02-13-2013 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
Have you ever bought/sold options before? It's NOT like you are holding 3,000 shares at 14.53. You simply have the OPTION to purchase 3,000 shares at 13. IF you exercised the option, you would then have to pony up $39,000. Of course if the price then hits $19, the account value would then be $57,000. If sold at $19, the profit would be $13,410.
Right now, you just own the options. You paid $4,590. As the Feb options close Friday, an underlying stock price of $19 would show your 13 strike with a price of around $6. If you simply closed the position (automatically closes at the end of Friday), the proceeds would be approximately $18K for a profit of $13,410.
One big difference is the tax implications. You pay short term gains on closing the contract. If exercised (you buy the underlying stock at $13), there are no tax implications until you then sell the shares.
Come on, I have been trading options for 20 years! Give me a break!!! I know what I hold. No tax implications since it was done in an IRA. I have done option strangles and spreads and sold naked puts, so please don't try to educate me on how to trade calls and puts. My DC plan went up 109% last year doing covered calls and other option strategies. Now maybe you can educate me on contango and backwardation and negative roll yield as it relates to the futures markets. I trade futures too, care to educate me on that?
Old 02-13-2013 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
No wonder Clamp is up all night, chainging that kids diapers!!

And who thought it was a good idea to let kids have internet access??!
Thankfully mine hasn't downloaded Etrade yet. But he watches soooooo much porn.
Old 02-13-2013 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Thankfully mine hasn't downloaded Etrade yet. But he watches soooooo much porn.
Sounds like he downloads plenty into his diaper.
Old 02-13-2013 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Sounds like he downloads plenty into his diaper.
He and I have very divergent tastes, needless to say.
Old 02-13-2013 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dalad
Come on, I have been trading options for 20 years! Give me a break!!! I know what I hold. No tax implications since it was done in an IRA. I have done option strangles and spreads and sold naked puts, so please don't try to educate me on how to trade calls and puts. My DC plan went up 109% last year doing covered calls and other option strategies. Now maybe you can educate me on contango and backwardation and negative roll yield as it relates to the futures markets. I trade futures too, care to educate me on that?
I've been trading (and teaching as a former broker) in the options market since '87, so I know a thing or four (thankfully, mostly forgotten). Moron? Nope- you're the one who asked the question about what it would be worth ("Any math geniuses out there?") Then you said "That's like me holding 3,000 shares." Not quite. You have the option to buy 3,000 shares. My apologizes if you misspoke. In former teachings, this would often be stated and it got people in trouble who were new and just learning the CBOE. Good luck to you in your short term trade. A price pop tomorrow and Friday will be nice in your position. After a few "lessons" on big losses (after big gains), I leave it to the gamblers.

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