Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-10-2013 | 06:18 PM
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As Bucking Bar so eloquently stated: our ability to perform flying for the Delta brand is our ONLY treasure. And we squandered it in this TA by agreeing to the changes in scope, and the ridiculous claim that we've done something about our JV's and code shares. Couple this with agreeing to further productivity increases, and the stagnation has turned into heavy displacements to lower paying aircraft.
None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand.
Carl
None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand.
Carl
03-10-2013 | 06:29 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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From: Record-Shattering Profit Facilitator
I agree. The bean counters are calling the shots.
Otherwise, we'd have a tablet EFB with wifi, and access to the same up-to-date turbulence and weather radar picture as the guy in seat 2C.
But there's no dollar figure the bean counters can use to justify the expenditure to provide us that type of SA.
Otherwise, we'd have a tablet EFB with wifi, and access to the same up-to-date turbulence and weather radar picture as the guy in seat 2C.
But there's no dollar figure the bean counters can use to justify the expenditure to provide us that type of SA.
03-10-2013 | 06:34 PM
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From: Urban chicken rancher.
I dont know if 62.5 years is the average age that guys are leaving at or not, but so what? The average was never 60 in the past. The important thing to remember is that the average age just went up about 5 years. So if it is 62.5 then it probably was about 57.5 previously.
Some guys got an instant 5 year windfall. Guys who are FOs get stuck for 5 more years in the right seat, but others were screwed over even worse - like the guys who hit 60 before the change.
And retirements don't help the bottom guys with a shrinking airline.
Scoop
Some guys got an instant 5 year windfall. Guys who are FOs get stuck for 5 more years in the right seat, but others were screwed over even worse - like the guys who hit 60 before the change.
And retirements don't help the bottom guys with a shrinking airline.
Scoop
03-10-2013 | 06:37 PM
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From: Urban chicken rancher.
End game, bottom line, done deal. We fly our ****. If not, and until then, we lose.
03-10-2013 | 07:00 PM
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We here very different things. I heard hiring in 2013 not 2012. Never heard a word about a wide body order until 6 weeks ago. The company is doing exactly what they said with the fleet plan. Every aircraft thay said they were bringing on is coming and it now looks like they are bumping the promised numbers up substantially.
We did not get the expected 300 ER's however the 196 we did get are more valuable to the pilot group over time then the 300 expected because of the demographics. You would not be very smart if you wanted to trade what was expected for what actually occurred in the ER program.
We did not get the expected 300 ER's however the 196 we did get are more valuable to the pilot group over time then the 300 expected because of the demographics. You would not be very smart if you wanted to trade what was expected for what actually occurred in the ER program.
Flight Operations recently announced that they are prepared to begin the pilot hiring process as early as the fourth quarter of this year (2012). This is consistent with the analysis contained in this Touch & Gos.*
A. Company
B. Flight Operations
C. YOUR union
Then claim this wildly inaccurate data had no impact on TA voting? Another REALLY? Everyone should go back and read 12-06 today, then see how you feel about the information and presentation.
03-10-2013 | 07:04 PM
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From: Poodle Whisperer
Perhaps there were some discussions behind the scenes, but the only statements put out in crew planning memos in regard to the plan for this AE was to close the DC-9 categories.
03-10-2013 | 07:07 PM
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03-10-2013 | 07:27 PM
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Sailing,
Sir, you must have forgotten. No biggie ... Google search makes recalling pretty easy ....
Economy has done better than most anticipated and we gave them the relief to purchase more 76 seaters, which they quickly did, along with the purchase of the airline that operates them ...
http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/12/d.../#.UT1P8Bza83M
The only part they did not execute on ... hiring. Were we promised an end to stagnation & displacements if we voted yes ? .. nope. Was hiring inferred by management's statements ... definitely.
Sir, you must have forgotten. No biggie ... Google search makes recalling pretty easy ....
Originally Posted by Capt. Steve Dickson
Now let me take a moment to hit on one point – aircraft orders - from the plan I just mentioned and how it ties into the Tentative Agreement before you. .... barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.
Well, that’s it for this week. ...
Well, that’s it for this week. ...
http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/12/d.../#.UT1P8Bza83M
The only part they did not execute on ... hiring. Were we promised an end to stagnation & displacements if we voted yes ? .. nope. Was hiring inferred by management's statements ... definitely.
03-10-2013 | 07:31 PM
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I know exactly what your career has turned into daldude, and I'm one of those fairly senior guys. I pounded this keyboard like a maniac trying to warn guys in your seniority not to bite at this TA. As Bucking Bar so eloquently stated: our ability to perform flying for the Delta brand is our ONLY treasure. And we squandered it in this TA by agreeing to the changes in scope, and the ridiculous claim that we've done something about our JV's and code shares. Couple this with agreeing to further productivity increases, and the stagnation has turned into heavy displacements to lower paying aircraft.
None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand.
Carl
None of our careers will get better until we fight for what is important. And that is our flying of our brand.
Carl
This and daldudes posts pretty much sums it up for me.....
03-10-2013 | 07:34 PM
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