Depends a lot on body positioning and duration. The NHTSA standard is outrageously high, like 75G for a 50th percentile male or 65G for a female.

At those forces, something's already broken loose (some seat tracks are lousy designs) and blunt force trauma gets them. What are really strange are the abdominal injuries involving the GI tract. The injured party can be walking around in low or moderate pain with no real externally visible injury, then die before diagnosis can be completed as a result of toxicity or blood loss. I used to own a Bonanza with the swing over yoke design. I planned to swing it over to the other side of the cockpit and force the door open immediately after trimming into best glide if ever it were necessary ... I don't like the way yokes are designed in most general aviation aircraft ... kinda like a harpoon. In my own airplanes the first money I spend on upgrades are really good shoulder harnesses for every occupied seat.

If you want to get really ticked off about outsourcing and compromised components in aircraft:

Seat maker Koito's deception results in FAA airworthiness directive

 

Is it better to have a control column over a yoke that goes in the dash?

... or I guess a side stick is best?

 

Pull up the Capt lines for your category and then replace the "A" with a "B" in the web browser bar.

 

Thanks. That's what I wondered, they are putting then on now.

 

IMHO, yes. Have not seen a control column get anyone and we've seen some hard impacts. You'd never think the window handle (Embraer, Douglas or 727/737) was a problem, but it is. The answer is to wear the shoulder harnesses.

Don't know if I've got an opinion on side sticks. Most of those that I've had experience with involve composite airframes, which are a whole 'nother topic.

 

If this AA/USAir merger ends up dead, AA has to survive and they will make a play for a smaller yet profitable airline. I think ALK would be first and JB second..


Needless to say DAL will not sit by quietly......

That has me worried, ALK has a very dangerous lack of scope and DAL/ALK will of course tell ALPA that existing contracts for airlines such as SKYW will have to be honored (think lack of scope at ALK and the immediate future with 100 seat deliveries) in a merger.....

Not a settling future IMHO

 

Fiigmo, as I see it, if Delta wants to acquire an airline with non-permitted aircraft, we merge them.

We don't know what Alaska's capacity purchase agreements look like, but we do know our contract language. Your scenario requires a blatant breach of our agreement.

Now if we acquired Alaska Air Lines and Alaska Air Group wanted to outsource to SkyWest their flying as Alaska Air Group it is assumed that would be AS code. If Skywest tried to fill Alaska's shoes, I think it would still be a "Category B" operation limited to 70 seats, 85,000 pounds or a Dash 8 like Horizon has(d).

The Company is required to notify us before the negotiation of any such agreement.

I guess your scenario is that we might acquire an airline which has already outsourced 90, or 100 seat, jets. If so, I think our contract protects us.

If you're saying we might renegotiate to allow it ... well, that's were I always hope our coordination between MEC's as a national union helps us ...

 

Are you including William (Don'tcha just love the feel of gold) Devane who can go from airborne>landed>stoped>prop stopped> outside pitching gold in .00000003 seconds?


Scoop

 

This was one thing that had me concerned in C12K. The fact that OUR scope might be dependent on another carrier's scope. Specifically I was concerned about Alaska. While I didn't think a merger with them was of practical matter, conceptually it bothered me.

As to AMR merging with Alaska, I think Mr Anderson will make AMR pay thru the nose to do so, and I think the resultant company there would be extremely painful for the pilots. (I still think there is much pain coming when the LCC/AMR merger is approved, but that is a different theory). If they make a play for JetBlue, the resulting requirement for divestiture in JFK will virtually assure another SWA/AT scenario. JB guys get royally screwed, and there will be a free for all for a bunch of slots in JFK. I am sure SWA has the lawsuits all booted up waiting to insert the date of filing as the only thing to be done.

The only good thing about the current furball is that there might be a push to force LCC to divest some of those DCA slots. Hopefully we can convince the DOT that DAL will offer flights to someplace other than Florida and that that would be a better deal than giving them to SWA or JB.

JMHO. But this is going to get interesting in the coming weeks...

 

That's a less-than-ringing vote of confidence!

If Bar's concerned...we should all be concerned!