Orvil,
I thought you were a Marine.

 

Carl,
There was no rocking chair nor a single union question in my interview. The shrink thought I might have a death wish for being a skydiver, until I pointed out that at least I had a reserve chute if something went wrong, but he, as an avid hang glider had nothing but air if the fecal matter hit the oscillating wind machine. He laughed and said I was right.

You must be getting your information from some dinosaurs of aviation. What you describe hasn't happened in years. If anything, those guys are now most likely a minority group.

 

Not emotional about it at all, Carl.

The facts speak for themselves. (You claim to be a fact based person. ) You don't have the votes, and won't by Jan. 1st. The DPA group would save a HUGE amount of face by asking TC to ****, but that ain't ever gonna happen Carl. Just like the DPA becoming our bargaining agent, "ain't gonna happen."

So, whatever you want to believe is an "emotional tirade", I'd like for you to just STOP embarrassing yourself. If I didn't know it, I'd think you were TC, in the flesh.

GJ

 

Well it's certainly true that a lot of my buds are dinosaurs. That's what happens when you're a dinosaur.

It's great if that's not happening anymore. That means there may be hope with our newer people diminishing the influence of certain dinosaurs who would never even think about striking mother Delta. If you're not willing to strike as a last resort, we'll never again lead this industry.

Carl

 

Carl,

You don't have any business speculating on conversations between "South" guys and the psychiatrist retained for their interviews. If you're so interested in mental health, you could extend that curiosity to research Dunning-Kruger Syndrome or Narcissistic Sociopath Personality Disorder.

Relax! Neither one is grounds for loss of medical certification, but either one (or both - you never know) could provide the basis of your serial rants and endless self-pity.

Imagine that, a 747 captain who feels sorry for himself, offering expert opinion on pilots he has never flown with...

 

I love those early AM ones too. Capt once asked me to make one in the early AM and I told him I would not since the folks were probably sleeping or watching TV and his reply was "If I have to be awake, so do they". So after his 5 min PA, I think they were all awake!

 

Gunship Guy,

Just speaking for myself, you write like a man with nearly no understanding of the process. You've not been interested in learning and have not volunteered (going on your statement, I do not know you).

The reality is Delta is our employer. You seem to recognize the mutually beneficial situation we have here; Delta does well, we do well. Delta management sits on the other side of the table, but they are not the enemy unless the situation calls for us to treat them as such. Since we work for Delta, attacking them ends up harming us over the long run.

So the best way to advocate for you is a series of very measured actions. Trying to take ground where we can, trying not to set off an all out war. A peaceful partnership that benefits both sides is optimum and that is where both sides try to keep the peace.

We maintain situational awareness by looking out the window at the other reference points. Which of those other airlines would you prefer to work for, other than Delta, and why? Is the reason you would perfer to work for another carrier based on anything your union has done, or has not done? Or are they in a different business, like cargo. Objectively, I look out the window and Delta is, at least in my mind, the #1 job with the #1 pay in the passenger business.

Yes, my career has stagnated horribly. We merged and I've not yet recovered, but, wasn't that management's call? ALPA got me quite a substantial pay raise, stock and improved my contract. ALPA did it through partnership more than combativeness. As a result, not only is our pay near the top, but our airline is growing and the best competitor I've ever seen in the marketplace.

ALPA will absolutely work to make things better. Their work never stops. As we type they are working on optimizing FAR 117 for us, they are trying to get more flying for us on the Virgin JV and they are helping indviduals with many myriad issues that nobody talks about.

Richard Anderson was an attorney under Frank Lorenzo. He has seen labor wars fought, and his side won. Continental is still here and the Eastern pilots mostly exited the profession. He is a very smart man who sees the value of working together.

I'm not sure what kind of emotional speach to the troops you are wanting your union to create; we actually get better results by taking these skirmishes on one by one and winning.

Of course, if you are frustrated by the lack of progress, grab a corner and lift. There are always opportunities to serve.

Respectfully, BB

 

You've been saying this dismissive stuff since we had 500 cards. Now we have over 5,000 and you're still dismissing the obvious.

I don't know if DPA will ultimately win. Neither do you despite your predictions to the contrary. And no matter how many times you say: "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN".

DALPA's Secret Police is being funded by over $80,000 of dues money and climbing. If the DPA really "ain't gonna happen", why waste the dues money?

Carl

 

Just out of curiosity, does this kind of kindergarten stuff work to shut people up in the DALPA echo chamber?

Carl