Alfa this is what needs to be said:

Throw in there "I hope we do" and "looks like we should" and the pilots will give you a chance.

But you don't say that do you?

Maybe you're girls had a point and you just missed it.

Really? They thought you were an entrenched ALPA apologist too?

Carl

called my reps....they know and are going forward

I like this post the best.

yeah. what else did they say?

Alfa,

You do have one good point, which is the issue of timing. Asking for leadership isn't the same as asking for knee-jerk reactions. I think the MEC would be wise to acknowledge this issue in a meaningful way. We can debate later what that should look like, as we get more info on the ramifications.

Where you're failing is the point at which you start insulting other posters. It tells me you're on the defensive. ftb hasn't said anything derogatory to you. He's never struck me as dim-witted, so don't concern yourself with keeping concepts simple enough for him. If you look his avatar carefully, it's obvious you're dealing with one smart puppy...

When you deal with certain people that question your intelligence frequently, and have a pattern of insulting you, then, perhaps, you could give yourself more latitude.

As for the teenage girl remark, our teenage girl surprises me frequently by her intelligence, as well as some emotional outbursts. Still, I don't try to diminish her intellect when I argue with her. I sometimes can't get her to see the light, and sometimes I must overrule her, based on the fact I'm ultimately in charge.

Of course, the teenage girl example is flawed in another respect: teenage girls answer to their parents. The MEC answers to the pilots.

Well played, Sink r8! :D

Exactly!!!

I am surprised (actually not really) that the Code-A-Phone made no mention of the decision or the indication that DALPA/ALPA is aware of the ruling and are "thoroughly researching this ruling to determine if there is any impact to our PWA"


You can't possibly tell me that this ruling has caught our Union off guard. The actions take by DALPA may just be what the DPA movement needs to gain momentum. (note: I have not sent in a card yet, but will be watching what comes of this closely as will many of our pilots that haven't sent in a card).

How about anyone who wants to chip in $100 can do so to hire people to fight this legally? I have a feeling we would raise about $1.2 million. This could be the tipping point issue to have more people seriously consider the DPA.

Heyas,

Things that make you go "hmmmm":

Why did the AirTran pilots INSIST on keeping OUTSIDE counsel for section one (scope) when they joined ALPA?

Nu

I'm not sure I would do it quite like this, and maybe Alfa has a point WRT timing. This is the classic sequence of events when something like this happens:

1) Someone on the internet reports an event and suggests an implication.
2) Someone else takes the ball and runs with it.
3) Someone with some other agenda jumps all over it to criticize the union, or the current people in the union.
4) Someone that's a close supporter of the union, or the current people in the union, jumps in for counter-insurgency and interference.
5) One of these two (above) starts calling the other one stupid.
6) Stupid follows-up with a "I know you are but what am I?"
7) Someone jumps in once again to re-driect, and offers a legal ruling.
8) And someone else sets up expections: the union has to fight, it has to win, and it has to win now, now, now.
9) Everyone agrees: now, now, now is the time.
10) With the expectations thus set, disappointment is almost immediate, and lasting, because the union can't even meet to set a direction, or formulate an answer. By then, everyone in the union, or near the union is on the defensive, and consumed with calling everyone "stupid" that's calling them "panzies".

Personally, I don't care if the union takes a few days. I don't care if the process start local, with a little info from the reps, letting us know they're taking a look at this. Then the MEC can meet. They can talk about with the company. They can seek to find remedies and solution without jumping in the expectations game. They can do a little soul-searching, and a little strategic planning. They can be smart.

I just would like them, once in a while, to conclude from their soul-searching that it's OK to roll the dice on a skirmish, just to make sure the troops are still alert, and reassure us the officers still have some fight in them. I don't want knee-jerk reactions, and I don't need instant reactions either. I just think deliberate planning doesn't preclude ocasionally engaging. And I think a force that's got some fight in it might get some surprising results. But we'll never know if we never try.

This seems like a subject we should battle over.

Let's see what develops.

The NMB posts its rulings online (NMB.GOV). The latest one they've put up is from March 29. Might I suggest everyone throttle back for a week or so until we can all read what it really says?

Fair enough, I know the issues with just letting guys swap their stuff on the open time board, but did not think it would effect pilot to pilot swaps. Either way, I suspect that the input will be what you state.

I was not sure what it was one of the highest recommendations for the SOT though.

Not at the cost of DALPA. A violation is a violation, and most of the MEH and F9 pilots would love to see the Republic side take a little in the shorts.

It will come down to what is legal, and contractual.

Frankly, I do not beleive anyone said they are not going to 1) Look at the ruling and its implications and 2) Fight it if there is a change in status as it pertains to our PWA.

Everyone is over at an IFALPA meeting this week and is not around. Call your reps, e-mail em, tell em what you see, read, think. Try to include a copy of the ruling. It does help.

Perception. :D

How would this work? ALPA is our bargaining agent. I don't think we can side step our agent to fight a grievance on our own absent ALPA's permission to do so.

Or was it prudence? :D

We had a good conversation. I said that this is the greatest threat to my job that I see. Scope. We provide pilot services to ac we fly....if we don't fly the plane then nothing else matters. He was just as hot as me about the issue and said that our council was starting the communication stream with other councils as we speak about this new ruling.

We all know that the proof is in the pudding and only actions speak. So I will continue to let them know this is my #1 concern and as my reps i want them to take it to the nth degree. I feel he and I agree and I will watch how it progresses.

Not so fast,

First off, if Republic was originally awarded that flying with the stipulation that they abide by the Delta Scope limit, and then they go out and make aircraft/airline purchases that violate that agreement with Delta, then it would depend on the wording of their contract.

Secondly, if DAL wanted out they would lawyer up and be out in about 10 seconds - Remember Mesa?

Thirdly - they could have other DCI carriers fly them - or even, "GASP," bring them to mainline and have them flown by Delta Pilots. :)

Finally, this basically provides DALPA more ammunition. It does not really guarantee any results, but what DALPA does with this additional ammunition will be telling.

If they just roll over and say that it does not change a thing, then I predict the DPA will see another membership surge.

Scoop

All a DPA card really authorizes is an "official" vote at a later time. I cannot understand the reasoning as to why more do not send the card in; if anything, it serves as a shot across ALPA's (Moak's) bow.

Would anyone be interested in signing up for a Delta credit card with me? One referal is a nice pay bump for an M88B.

I agree with everything you said. I guess that I was just caught trying to swing the pendulum back to the other side after Alfa's comment. I really am not wanting them to rush to judgement.

I do think that this will be a litmus test for DALPA and it would "appear" that this is something worth fighting for. I think that there will be a lot of pilots that may need to be convinced otherwise if DALPA decides this is not something to fight for.

A keen understanding of ALPA's position on Scope.

Carl

Flamer, why didn't I think of that. Good idea and a pay raise for any in need FO.

*** Sound of one hand clapping ***

Question for fleets that have been using ship sets for a while. Now that we don't have our own FOM, VOL 1 etc, how are your fleets getting the changes out to crews? When we had our own I would read over the changes as I did the revision. To me it seems we are going to be missing alot of changes as the librarians will be doing the changes. Don't get me wrong it is great not doing Jepp. revisions and lugging the bag, but dare I say that we should have kept our own Vol 1, and Fom.

You can sign up somewhere on deltanet to keep getting revisions.

I download the PDF files from DeltaNet and search for the latest changes with the search function using my IPad.

Also in the front of the Vol 1 and FOM should be a list of the changes. I read through that and see what's what. Passes the time when there's nothing to do.

I'm still getting mine for the Vol I and keeping it current at home. The rest of the stuff? Nahhh.

Hey Airbus guys.... Why when I travel on a UAL A319/320 that is on a SE taxi I don't hear the hydraulic pumps, but I do hear them on DAL A319/320s? What is the difference?

If you just download the pdf's, you don't need to worry about the revisions but you do have to get used to using your laptop to read them. I've been doing that for a couple of years. Be glad to get rid of all the hardcopy.:)

Not sure, not an A320 guy... perhaps UAL shut down the wrong engine or forgot to turn on an ELEC HYD pump or something? Maybe a real Airbus pilot will tell us the correct answer.

You should either hear a "dog barking" or a loud whining noise.

Dog Barking is the PTU (Delta taxis with the #1 motor)
Whining noise is the yellow elec. pump. THe yellow elec pump is turned on so that the dog stops barking.

Either noise is annoying.

Ten

What you hear is the hydraulic Power Transfer Unit (PTU). We turn on the yellow hydraulic system electric pump during Single Engine taxi to prevent the PTU from running & making that loud noise. Everyone thinks it's a malfunction when they hear the PTU, but no, Airbus actually designed it that way. Some Captains even include it as part of their PA announcement. The electric pump doesn't make a noise.

Does scheduling usually give you the "inadequate reserve coverage" excuse on PCS swap with the pot requests if you are trying to drop a spillover rotation on the 20th of the month prior to the beginning of a flying month?

<Insert rambling run-on answer here, thanks>

Yes, because they don't know the reserve coverage for May yet. You'll be able to drop that trip on... wait for it.... the 20th at 0700.

Dude. I know you saw Gladiator. That's who we need.