Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-27-2014 | 10:37 AM
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10-27-2014 | 10:46 AM
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
I'm wondering if we should wear their phones out as well.
This is an existential threat. Please pardon my duplicate post.
Originally Posted by BB
All those who want to be hired at any US carrier should actively participate in keeping the pressure on the US DOT to deny Norwegian's operating certificate. Reporting from inside the beltway types acknowledge that if Certificate of Convenience schemes are allowed it would likely be the beginning of the end for US Certificated Carriers as they currently exist.
Norwegian, as currently designed, is managed from Ireland using temporary staffing from an agency based in the city-state of Singapore. It is structured this was so as to enjoy EU open skies while avoiding compliance with EU labor law.
It is no coincidence that Norwegian's model follows that of the cruise ship industry ... which avoids safety oversight and employes nearly no US citizens.
Of course, NAI is putting the screws to Boeing by tying US Certification with a 20 jet 787 order. Boeing has probably the largest and most effective lobbying force on Capital Hill.
The US DOT should NOT approve Norwegian's Certificate. Art. 17 of the US-EU Air Transport Agreement - "the parties shall not subvert labour standards and circumvent labour laws" ... yet that is exactly what NAI is trying to accomplish.
If you are an ALPA member, please sign on and participate in our "Call to Action." If you are a pilot wanting to work somewhere other than Singapore, write your Representative. Here is a letter if you are at a loss for words:
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I urge you to contact the White House in opposition to Norwegian Air International’s application to operate to the U.S. as a foreign air carrier. As you may know, DOT dismissed NAI’s exemption application to fly to the U.S. without a foreign air carrier permit. I applaud this decision and the fact that the U.S. House of Representatives unanimously passed an amendment to the FY 2015 Transportation Appropriations bill to prohibit DOT from approving any foreign air carrier permit that runs afoul of U.S. law and provisions of the U.S.-EU Open Skies agreement. However, we must put an end to this proposal once and for all. I respectfully ask that you contact DOT and the White House to outright Deny NAI. My job depends on it.
As you know, last December, a Norwegian airline set up a subsidiary called Norwegian Air International (NAI) in Ireland and applied for a foreign air carrier permit to fly to the U.S. It purports to be an Irish airline, yet NAI is owned and controlled by Norwegian citizens. NAI intends to operate as an Irish air carrier, even though it does not plan to operate any flights to or from Ireland. Furthermore, NAI plans to hire much of its workforce through a recruitment firm based in Singapore, which is not a party to the U.S.-EU Open Skies agreement. This new business venture is designed explicitly to lower its costs, but the real cost will be U.S. jobs.
The Open Skies agreement between the EU and the U.S., to which Norway is a party, includes a provision which specifically prohibits European airlines from moving from one country to another in order to take advantage of lower labor standards (Article 17 bis). Yet that is precisely what NAI is attempting to do.
Additionally, there are significant safety issues inherent in NAI’s new business model. This unprecedented arrangement raises critical questions regarding the Irish Aviation Authority’s ability to provide safety and regulatory oversight of NAI, including its maintenance, training, and operations. This ambiguous arrangement should be thoroughly addressed before any decision is made on NAI’s pending application.
The scheme set up by NAI threatens the U.S. airline industry’s future viability and U.S. airline jobs—including mine. I urge you to stand up for U.S. airline workers and ask the Administration to Deny NAI.
Thank you very much.
Norwegian, as currently designed, is managed from Ireland using temporary staffing from an agency based in the city-state of Singapore. It is structured this was so as to enjoy EU open skies while avoiding compliance with EU labor law.
It is no coincidence that Norwegian's model follows that of the cruise ship industry ... which avoids safety oversight and employes nearly no US citizens.
Of course, NAI is putting the screws to Boeing by tying US Certification with a 20 jet 787 order. Boeing has probably the largest and most effective lobbying force on Capital Hill.
The US DOT should NOT approve Norwegian's Certificate. Art. 17 of the US-EU Air Transport Agreement - "the parties shall not subvert labour standards and circumvent labour laws" ... yet that is exactly what NAI is trying to accomplish.
If you are an ALPA member, please sign on and participate in our "Call to Action." If you are a pilot wanting to work somewhere other than Singapore, write your Representative. Here is a letter if you are at a loss for words:
----
I urge you to contact the White House in opposition to Norwegian Air International’s application to operate to the U.S. as a foreign air carrier. As you may know, DOT dismissed NAI’s exemption application to fly to the U.S. without a foreign air carrier permit. I applaud this decision and the fact that the U.S. House of Representatives unanimously passed an amendment to the FY 2015 Transportation Appropriations bill to prohibit DOT from approving any foreign air carrier permit that runs afoul of U.S. law and provisions of the U.S.-EU Open Skies agreement. However, we must put an end to this proposal once and for all. I respectfully ask that you contact DOT and the White House to outright Deny NAI. My job depends on it.
As you know, last December, a Norwegian airline set up a subsidiary called Norwegian Air International (NAI) in Ireland and applied for a foreign air carrier permit to fly to the U.S. It purports to be an Irish airline, yet NAI is owned and controlled by Norwegian citizens. NAI intends to operate as an Irish air carrier, even though it does not plan to operate any flights to or from Ireland. Furthermore, NAI plans to hire much of its workforce through a recruitment firm based in Singapore, which is not a party to the U.S.-EU Open Skies agreement. This new business venture is designed explicitly to lower its costs, but the real cost will be U.S. jobs.
The Open Skies agreement between the EU and the U.S., to which Norway is a party, includes a provision which specifically prohibits European airlines from moving from one country to another in order to take advantage of lower labor standards (Article 17 bis). Yet that is precisely what NAI is attempting to do.
Additionally, there are significant safety issues inherent in NAI’s new business model. This unprecedented arrangement raises critical questions regarding the Irish Aviation Authority’s ability to provide safety and regulatory oversight of NAI, including its maintenance, training, and operations. This ambiguous arrangement should be thoroughly addressed before any decision is made on NAI’s pending application.
The scheme set up by NAI threatens the U.S. airline industry’s future viability and U.S. airline jobs—including mine. I urge you to stand up for U.S. airline workers and ask the Administration to Deny NAI.
Thank you very much.
10-27-2014 | 10:49 AM
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I think they will announce the aircraft order after the BOD meeting.
So when is the BOD meeting?
So when is the BOD meeting?
10-27-2014 | 10:53 AM
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Any ATL based regular line guy get their surface yet?
Do you get an email from UPS prior or do they just show up?
Do you get an email from UPS prior or do they just show up?
10-27-2014 | 11:02 AM
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That's not true...I will be happy to debate this with you and you will lose. I had a multiple day jury duty mailed and received after scheduled posted...it was for duty in less than three weeks. Alerted the CPSC and was told to bring it in next time through and no big deal...missed the opportunity to get it to the office and the next trip through but did the following time. Was contacted by the CPO and asked when did I receive the notice and why did I not bid around it? After being scolded on the topic, I informed him of the post mark and reception period...crawfishing ensued and was told that they would "consider it"...when contacting them the next week in regard to whether or not I was going to be covered, I was told that two of my four day trip was PD'd and that they were not going to pay me. When I asked about being covered if chosen for jury duty, I was told that I WOULD be covered due to it being a situation out of my control. I spoke with DALPA folks on the phone and was told that this was a NEW part of the contract. To my own fault, I discovered an article in either the ROAR or WIDGET that spoke of this change. The point of my diatribe is to let other folks know that you better get the notification in ASAP...the sooner the better. The CPO is NOT looking out for pilots ALL THE TIME...
I would have followed up ASAP when the jury duty did not show up on my schedule. Phone records come in handy also. At that point i would have requested a meeting with the CP and requested the individual who took the call also be present.
10-27-2014 | 11:14 AM
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On another note...anyone ever get a training memory stick without and information on it? I have one that I've tried on two separate computers, one PC and one Apple, and cannot see any files on the stick...just another in the list of trials that I am encountering changing aircraft....its like I'm stuck in a Mad Dog Vortex!!!
10-27-2014 | 11:40 AM
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10-27-2014 | 11:49 AM
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10-27-2014 | 11:54 AM
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I don't know what happened to the 330NEO they told Airbus to build. Recent comments from RA indicate it's down to the 787 and A350. I'm sure they are looking very closely at the performance of the 787-900 that VA is flying to ATL, no coincidence I'm sure... you know guys with DAL I.D.'s and khakis are probably all over that thing every time it lands-- looking at MX, fuel burn, pax and ground handling issues. I'd be very surprised if an order doesn't come in the next 3 weeks.
10-27-2014 | 12:10 PM
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Once you notify the company of your jury duty, they are obligated to ensure you are available to perform your legal duties. They can accomplish that several ways.
1. They can drop the entire trip that conflicts with your jury duty.
2. They can drop a portion of the trip in an effort to deconflict the jury duty.
3. If you notify them prior to the close of PBS bidding for the affected month, they have the option to pre-post known legal duty leave on some or all of the days you have jury duty. These pre-posted days have a value of 5:15 per day. (This was the new part under C2012 that did not previously exist) They can choose to not pre-post in hopes that there will be little to no conflict with your PBS award, but they then run the risk of you being awarded a big fat trip that conflicts. It is the company's choice to make.
You are pay protected in the above scenarios for the entire scheduled value of what was dropped as long as you let the company know about your jury duty as soon as you find out about it. If the summons shows up at the house and you sit on it for a couple of weeks before letting the company know, they are within their rights to not pay you for the time dropped to allow you to perform your legal duties. They still have to let you off for it though. The company can also reach out to the court to seek your release from jury duty, although this is not a very common occurrence.
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