Originally Posted by cni187

When is enough, enough?



This might get me tossed off of here but oh well.

Originally Posted by flyallnite

I don't know what happened to the 330NEO they told Airbus to build. Recent comments from RA indicate it's down to the 787 and A350. I'm sure they are looking very closely at the performance of the 787-900 that VA is flying to ATL, no coincidence I'm sure... you know guys with DAL I.D.'s and khakis are probably all over that thing every time it lands-- looking at MX, fuel burn, pax and ground handling issues. I'd be very surprised if an order doesn't come in the next 3 weeks.

Originally Posted by Jfknyc

Off topic but anyone know how new jury duty rules work. IE if you drop say a 4 day trip and only serve 1 day on jury do you get paid for the whole trip or just 1 day of it?

Originally Posted by DogWhisperer

That's not true...I will be happy to debate this with you and you will lose. I had a multiple day jury duty mailed and received after scheduled posted...it was for duty in less than three weeks. Alerted the CPSC and was told to bring it in next time through and no big deal...missed the opportunity to get it to the office and the next trip through but did the following time. Was contacted by the CPO and asked when did I receive the notice and why did I not bid around it? After being scolded on the topic, I informed him of the post mark and reception period...crawfishing ensued and was told that they would "consider it"...when contacting them the next week in regard to whether or not I was going to be covered, I was told that two of my four day trip was PD'd and that they were not going to pay me. When I asked about being covered if chosen for jury duty, I was told that I WOULD be covered due to it being a situation out of my control. I spoke with DALPA folks on the phone and was told that this was a NEW part of the contract. To my own fault, I discovered an article in either the ROAR or WIDGET that spoke of this change. The point of my diatribe is to let other folks know that you better get the notification in ASAP...the sooner the better. The CPO is NOT looking out for pilots ALL THE TIME...

Originally Posted by sailingfun

The A330 NEO is still a paper airplane and will not be available until after the 350. The NEO can't meet the range requirements for some routes we need. Don't be surprised to see this order end up being cut down in size and a follow up for the NEO later.

Originally Posted by iceman49

Base Chief Pilot. The Company reserves the right to intervene with the appropriate authorities to seek release from or deferral of any such jury duty or appearance.


Wonder how this is received with the judiciary since I thought jury duty is somewhat of a civic duty. It's not as if we are in a critical manning position.

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

While I don't doubt for second that this is what happened to you, that language has not changed. I went looking and found the following language from Contract 1990, emphasis mine:

C. Jury Duty and Subpoenaed Witnesses
1. Upon receipt of notification that his name has been placed on a jury selection list or he has been subpoenaed to be a witness as a result of his employment, the pilot will immediately notify his Base Chief Pilot. The Company reserves the right to intervene with the appropriate authorities to seek release from or deferral of any such jury duty or appearance.
2. When serving as provided in Paragraph C.1., a pilot shall be paid and credited as follows:
a. A regular line of time holder shall receive flying pay and credit for those flights shown on his line of time on a scheduled basis.
b. A reserve line of time holder shall receive pay and credit equal to one-thirtieth (1/30th) or one-thirty-first (1/31st) of his appropriate monthly reserve guarantee, as provided under Section 4 (Minimum Pay Guarantees) for each day of reserve held during a month.
c. An unassigned pilot shall be paid and credited as provided under Section 4 (Minimum Pay Guarantees).
3. When a pilot is subpoenaed as a witness due to circumstances other than those specified in Paragraph C.1., he may, operations permitting, be granted authorized leave if available, change of X-days, or personal drop whichever is appropriate in order to appear as a witness. In the event the pilot uses personal trip drop privileges his maximum projected time for pick-up shall not be reduced.
4. Failure to comply with Paragraph C.1. of this Section releases the Company from all obligations under Paragraph C.2. of this Section.

I didn't bother looking back further than 1990. The ROE on this has been the same for a long time. It sounds like you got led down the primrose path by some bad guidance from the PSC. I can say from personal experience that when you call the PSC to notify them of your jury duty, they should (and did with me) give you a fax number and/or email address to forward a copy of the summons to them pronto. It is my impression that they compare the date on the summons to the date they are receiving it and as long as it is within a reasonable time period, you are getting paid. They should never have told you to bring it in when you come for a trip because that set you up for a problem in my opinion because I believe the official notification would be their receipt of the summons and not your phone call. That stinks that it played out like that for you and should be a lesson to us all. Thank you for sharing!

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

Anybody have any recent experience with our passport vendor? Need to know whether they really take the full 10 business days to get a new primary passport to you.