One's born every minute.

But, hey, sure, they haven't discussed pay. I guess they're too busy finding ways to give away profit sharing, change sick leave to the detriment of your fellow pilots, sell scope, etc, etc. Yep, that's why they haven't gotten around to pay yet.

I just noticed the bag tag that says:

BACK the PAC


TEN

I'm not saying hold out to "swing for the fences" or whatever. I'm talking about not falling for numerous, embedded and DEEP concessions all through the potential TA like the ones that are rumored. I would rather be parked instead of that ANY DAY.

If you're saying you're in range of retirement and will take anything as long as its a raise to you even if it guts scope and QOL for everyone else, have fun with that stratedgy. But unless we sign 10 year deals the demographics will never support that, even during the big retirement wave, which isn't until the next contract most likely.

This isn't a matter of hey we can get a 30% raise today but that's not a Cadillac per month or C2K+ full inflation (and retro!) so lets hold out until we get the motherload! I get the time value of money argument, and while I don't think that means we should roll over too easy, there is some level of value in TVM. I get it. But this is about us not falling for numerous, DEEP concessions in the most critical section of the contract (scope, at ALL levels) and inheriting a pathetic sick/harassment program that will harm far more pilots for far more years than those who will get a few bucks prior to punching out (not to mention, its that same demographic that uses the most sick time in the first place).

I want positive gains form everyone, including the "dead zoners" and every other group all the way down to new hires. And I understand time value of money to a certain extent. But we should not sell management deep and permanent concessions for slightly more money sooner. That's just dumb. More importantly, the demographics simply don't support it anyway, even if we embrace a stratedgy of selling the majority down the river to get a few extra pieces of silver today.

I agree. For decades SWA has been publicly stating, to the investment community, that they put employees first, customers second and the shareholder third. While they may not have done it WRT profit sharing to the extent DL is right now, they sure did it to an even greater extent in regular pay for many years. Has their stock tanked?

We only have to pay out a lot of profit sharing if there's, well, a LOT of profits. And the company gets to keep the vast majority of the profits regardless.

How many billions are being returned to the shareholders versus how many billions are being paid to employees vs PS, now but especially going forward? Anyone really think they are going to tank our stock because the constantly increasing and accelerating 5B+ "shareholder return" isn't enough?

Not falling for it. If "Wall Street doesn't like it" and tanks the stock just because of that (they won't) we would be in a position to reap a huge gain on the stock buyback portion of the plan and could roll the savings into a very robust dividend. Still think they would keep tanking the stock? Kind of hard to do when they're busy buying it up.

So what then are you willing to GIVE UP to get that?

If its from the minority its OK though, right? You paid your dues, so they can eat cake, right? Is that really what you're trying to say because that's exactly how its coming across.

Again, I'm not talking about time value of money and you thinking a nice raise sooner is better than a bigger raise later or maybe never. Fine, I get that. But whatever it is that YOU want, NOW, what are you willing to gut in the current contract, which is already heavily concessionary, to achieve that modest quicker raise for YOU?

With profit sharing as a backstop, there will never be a better time to dig in our heels and wait for the right deal. No "self-funded" raises, no concessions. I'll wait 2+ years for that deal. Will RA wait that long?


And why are the Dalpa operatives talking about the PILOTS being unreasonable? Seems to me the company's stance is pretty damn unreasonable. But you won't hear Dalpa saying that.

Officially No. Unofficially, Yes.

All employees have successfully piggybacked on the DALPA contractual profit sharing. Most other employee groups, especially FA's, benefit mightily from DL pilot scope that they've never paid for and probably never will, and don't even know exists.

It is too bad you don't have the 3500 retired pilots to help you with the TA. I'm fairly sure it would be a no prisoner operation.

Whoa, calm down there's no need to be radical about this.

Besides, we have to pass this TA to see what's in it.

You can be my MEC chairman anytime!