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#21561

johnso29 , 12-17-2009 11:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

Of course you do, that's why we're at Delta .. just kidding. :0

I understand your point. Commuters definitely get to see the operation from a different perspective.

But there are those of us who do take the passengers into a lot of considertion when making decisions up front. Unfortunately, there are many who don't.

I had a former marine f-18 pilot who thought going from level cruise to pegging the EVSI during a descent was no big deal. I said to him, "yeah, you and I have flown upside and pulled Gs, but we don't need to pin passengers and FAs to the ceiling." haha

Definitely true, as I have witnessed myself. It's appreciated.

#21562

Sink r8 , 12-17-2009 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iaflyer

It's not that we are concerned that the FAs get it after we do - it's that the company thinks that way. If it costs the company say, $1 million to do something for us, in their mind, it actually costs $2.5 million because they also have to plan on the $1.5 million (more FAs than pilots) to give it to the FAs.

It's the company's simple way of keeping the FAs from unionizing...

I'm OK with the notion that we need to study the cost of a proposal when we make it, not because I think we need to purchase everything we want, but because it makes for smarter negotiations to understand exactly what we're asking for.

HOWEVER, it is not our job to factor in any "me-too" costs, especially for a non-contract group. Since the F/A's are not under contract (the South F/A's, that is), anything the company gives them is purely voluntary. As such, I don't care. As for the North F/A's, they are under contract, and they negotiate their own. As such, I don't care.

Say it with me, say it loud, and say it ten times if you need to: I-don't-care. If that doesn't work, try to go "Goddwill Hunting":

It's not your fault

It's not your fault

It's not your fault

It's not your fault

#21563

acl65pilot , 12-17-2009 11:35 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sink r8

That's exactly how I was thinking of this. The arguments being made are the same pathetic arguments that ... a friend of mine might have made to a girlfriend in high school...

With all that being said, and while I was agreeing with Johnson, I don't think the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Maybe AMR's arguments really resonate in Japan. Maybe the Japanese really are nervous about ATI approval. It's just that they're very defensive in nature.

Of course, there might be a reason they're defensive... After all, what are the odds the Japanes found a way to enquire as to the potential for ATI approval, either for AMR or DAL? Think maybe someone on the task force that's going to make a decision on JAL was smart enough to Google "DOJ"? Or are they just going to power through this, and hope for the best? Maybe Japanese politicians don't actually frequent back-rooms? Maybe their business men think chance trumps planning?

I agree, after they offered not to directly compete for traffic, I was a little concerned and then this came out. It is the irrational statements that one makes after they know they have no way of controlling the outcome.

#21564

iceman49 , 12-17-2009 11:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sink r8

Agreed, it would be to our advantage for them to have a union...then they would also have to negotiate on their own.

#21565

acl65pilot , 12-17-2009 11:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sink r8

I think the point was to illustrate why the company will not move on this at the current time. They have this little issue of giving them what we work for, so until they vote one way or another, we are not going to see them budge.

#21566

forgot to bid , 12-17-2009 12:05 PM

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ATL
777 A 147 lines, 91 resv lines, 238 total pilots 62% To hold a line in category.
777 B 143 lines, 92 resv lines, 235 total pilots 61% To hold a line in category.
765 A 118 lines, 57 resv lines, 175 total pilots 67% To hold a line in category.
765 B 207 lines, 80 resv lines, 287 total pilots 72% To hold a line in category.
7ER A 278 lines, 36 resv lines, 314 total pilots 89% To hold a line in category.
7ER B 412 lines, 100 resv lines, 512 total pilots 80% To hold a line in category.
767 A 287 lines, 56 resv lines, 343 total pilots 84% To hold a line in category.
767 B 273 lines, 49 resv lines, 322 total pilots 85% To hold a line in category.
73N A 213 lines, 35 resv lines, 248 total pilots 86% To hold a line in category.
73N B 210 lines, 33 resv lines, 243 total pilots 86% To hold a line in category.
M88 A 413 lines, 39 resv lines, 452 total pilots 91% To hold a line in category.
M88 B 391 lines, 76 resv lines, 467 total pilots 84% To hold a line in category.

CVG
7ER A 76 lines, 37 resv lines, 113 total pilots 67% To hold a line in category.
7ER B 76 lines, 35 resv lines, 111 total pilots 68% To hold a line in category.
73N A 104 lines, 66 resv lines, 170 total pilots 61% To hold a line in category.
73N B 110 lines, 22 resv lines, 132 total pilots 83% To hold a line in category.
M88 A 48 lines, 14 resv lines, 62 total pilots 77% To hold a line in category.
M88 B 52 lines, 17 resv lines, 69 total pilots 75% To hold a line in category.

DTW
744 A 104 lines, 66 resv lines, 170 total pilots 61% To hold a line in category.
744 B 124 lines, 107 resv lines, 231 total pilots 54% To hold a line in category.
755 A 195 lines, 14 resv lines, 209 total pilots 93% To hold a line in category.
755 B 185 lines, 25 resv lines, 210 total pilots 88% To hold a line in category.
330 A 104 lines, 47 resv lines, 151 total pilots 69% To hold a line in category.
330 B 165 lines, 65 resv lines, 230 total pilots 72% To hold a line in category.
320 A 244 lines, 26 resv lines, 270 total pilots 90% To hold a line in category.
320 B 200 lines, 46 resv lines, 246 total pilots 81% To hold a line in category.
DC9 A 132 lines, 110 resv lines, 242 total pilots 55% To hold a line in category.
DC9 B 106 lines, 30 resv lines, 136 total pilots 78% To hold a line in category.

LAX
767 A 0 lines, 14 resv lines, 14 total pilots 0% To hold a line in category.
767 B 0 lines, 19 resv lines, 19 total pilots 0% To hold a line in category.
7ER A 94 lines, 41 resv lines, 135 total pilots 70% To hold a line in category.
7ER B 96 lines, 36 resv lines, 132 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category.
73N A 33 lines, 11 resv lines, 44 total pilots 75% To hold a line in category.
73N B 31 lines, 17 resv lines, 48 total pilots 65% To hold a line in category.

MEM
320 A 66 lines, 18 resv lines, 84 total pilots 79% To hold a line in category.
320 B 58 lines, 19 resv lines, 77 total pilots 75% To hold a line in category.
DC9 A 23 lines, 11 resv lines, 34 total pilots 68% To hold a line in category.
DC9 B 103 lines, 38 resv lines, 141 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category.

MSP
755 A 147 lines, 51 resv lines, 198 total pilots 74% To hold a line in category.
755 B 145 lines, 25 resv lines, 170 total pilots 85% To hold a line in category.
330 A 23 lines, 17 resv lines, 40 total pilots 58% To hold a line in category.
330 B 52 lines, 19 resv lines, 71 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category.
320 A 304 lines, 33 resv lines, 337 total pilots 90% To hold a line in category.
320 B 264 lines, 57 resv lines, 321 total pilots 82% To hold a line in category.
DC9 A 109 lines, 41 resv lines, 150 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category.
DC9 B 103 lines, 38 resv lines, 141 total pilots 73% To hold a line in category.

NYC
777 A 25 lines, 14 resv lines, 39 total pilots 64% To hold a line in category.
777 B 24 lines, 19 resv lines, 43 total pilots 56% To hold a line in category.
7ER A 253 lines, 33 resv lines, 286 total pilots 88% To hold a line in category.
7ER B 379 lines, 95 resv lines, 474 total pilots 80% To hold a line in category.
73N A 57 lines, 15 resv lines, 72 total pilots 79% To hold a line in category.
73N B 54 lines, 21 resv lines, 75 total pilots 72% To hold a line in category.
M88 A 63 lines, 27 resv lines, 90 total pilots 70% To hold a line in category.
M88 B 61 lines, 30 resv lines, 91 total pilots 67% To hold a line in category.

SEA
330 A 54 lines, 33 resv lines, 87 total pilots 62% To hold a line in category.
330 B 104 lines, 42 resv lines, 146 total pilots 71% To hold a line in category.

SLC
767 A 76 lines, 13 resv lines, 89 total pilots 85% To hold a line in category.
767 B 71 lines, 16 resv lines, 87 total pilots 82% To hold a line in category.
73N A 71 lines, 14 resv lines, 85 total pilots 84% To hold a line in category.
73N B 68 lines, 15 resv lines, 83 total pilots 82% To hold a line in category.
M88 A 73 lines, 17 resv lines, 90 total pilots 81% To hold a line in category.
M88 B 71 lines, 21 resv lines, 92 total pilots 77% To hold a line in category.

#21567

sailingfun , 12-17-2009 12:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by newKnow

Since coming onboard the Delta ship, I've never understood the F-DAL guys concern with the FA's "me too's" or getting what we get. Maybe you guys can let me in on why you believe the FA's have to get the NWA commuter policy if we get it back, when they don't even stay in the same hotels as us.

I mean they don't get a "me too" for the Park Plaza or the Roosevelt, why do you guys think they will get one for call in honest?

I'm just asking as an uninformed North guy looking to learn the ways of the South and sweet tea.

New K

The flight attendant normally stay with the pilots or in equal hotels. Domestic they are often on different rotations with different layover lengths so you often end up in different hotels. On international flights where the crews stay together you are always in the same hotels. Our contract requires that we not stay at the airport on layovers over 12 so we never do in Europe. We were asked to drop that to allow airport hotels in some locations to allow the flight attendants and pilots to stay at airports. We said no thankfully.

#21568

forgot to bid , 12-17-2009 12:10 PM

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Largest to Smallest Categories

1 ATL 7ER B 512
2 NYC 7ER B 474
3 ATL M88 B 467
4 ATL M88 A 452
5 ATL 767 A 343
6 MSP 320 A 337
7 ATL 767 B 322
8 MSP 320 B 321
9 ATL 7ER A 314
10 ATL 765 B 287
11 NYC 7ER A 286
12 DTW 320 A 270
13 ATL 73N A 248
14 DTW 320 B 246
15 ATL 73N B 243
16 DTW DC9 A 242
17 ATL 777 A 238
18 ATL 777 B 235
19 DTW 744 B 231
20 DTW 330 B 230
21 DTW 755 B 210
22 DTW 755 A 209
23 MSP 755 A 198
24 ATL 765 A 175
25 CVG 73N A 170
26 DTW 744 A 170
27 MSP 755 B 170
28 DTW 330 A 151
29 MSP DC9 A 150
30 SEA 330 B 146
31 MEM DC9 B 141
32 MSP DC9 B 141
33 DTW DC9 B 136
34 LAX 7ER A 135
35 CVG 73N B 132
36 LAX 7ER B 132
37 CVG 7ER A 113
38 CVG 7ER B 111
39 SLC M88 B 92
40 NYC M88 B 91
41 NYC M88 A 90
42 SLC M88 A 90
43 SLC 767 A 89
44 SEA 330 A 87
45 SLC 767 B 87
46 SLC 73N A 85
47 MEM 320 A 84
48 SLC 73N B 83
49 MEM 320 B 77
50 NYC 73N B 75
51 NYC 73N A 72
52 MSP 330 B 71
53 CVG M88 B 69
54 CVG M88 A 62
55 LAX 73N B 48
56 LAX 73N A 44
57 NYC 777 B 43
58 MSP 330 A 40
59 NYC 777 A 39
60 MEM DC9 A 34
61 LAX 767 B 19
62 LAX 767 A 14

#21569

iceman49 , 12-17-2009 12:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

So did they put the FAs at the hotel with you when they are at the airport layovers?

#21570

Philly , 12-17-2009 12:23 PM

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Category List Prediction???

Common Lurker/seldom poster, but I too have read and kept up with this thread since summer of 07. Thought I'd offer my work on the seniority of the bases and how it may translate to the current AE. The discussion of the seniority of the categories was talked about briefly quite a few pages ago, but not much since.
Remember this is my (very) slightly educated GUESS!! Here's my stab at the whole company. I started with the categories I could hold and then found my percentage in the category to rank them. For categories I cannot hold, I just used the current plug from the Jan '10 Category list. For new categories like MSP 88, I made just made a guess on where it would fall. I will admit, I spent a lot of time thinking about the bottom half of this list and not much on the top of it. I'm working on an educated guess on what seniority # cutoff I think could be vulnerable to MD into the bottom categories. I also made some guesses about trends i.e. NYC 7ER getting more senior which is why not all are in numerical order by plug.
I wanted to get some thoughts on the bottom half of the list in an attempt to refine it.
Here's my list. It has the category and the plug sen# rounded to prevent publishing the exact number (don't know if it matters/but just in case it might).
1 LAX 767 6860
2 SEA 330 8010
3 DTW 744 8220
4 MSP 330 8260
5 ATL 777 8650
6 DTW 777 NEW CAT
7 ATL 765 8750
8 DTW 330 8730
9 NYC 765 NEW CAT
10 MSP 755 10490
11 DTW 755 10790
12 ATL 767 11150
13 ATL 7ER 11280
14 ATL 73N 11460
15 LAX 7ER 11540
16 SLC 767 11550
17 LAX 73N 11600
18 CVG 7ER 11670
19 NYC 7ER 11850
20 SLC 73N 11750
21 MSP 320 11820
22 SLC 320 NEW CAT
23 MEM 320 12040
24 ATL M88 12160
25 CVG 73N 12160
26 NYC 73N 12140
27 DTW 320 12110
28 CVG M88 12250
29 MSP M88 NEW CAT
30 MEM DC9 12200
31 MSP DC9 12180
32 NYC M88 12270
33 DTW DC9 12220

Thoughts?

Philly