Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-28-2008, 07:37 PM
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10-28-2008, 07:38 PM
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The blah, blah, blah, was for Super bringing up the SLI crap in every single post. I am almost to the point where I'd rather listen to someone spout off about Obama/McCain than I would this SLI crap. I can't wait for December even if it does mean an AE with displacements.
10-28-2008, 07:42 PM
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It's pretty simple actually. You move the DC9 around just like you move the 757/767 around. When the DC9 does a flight that is 200-500 mi, the CASM is nowhere near what people say, because CASM is based off 1000 mi flights. A DC9 can also be custom fit to a route. It's been done for many years, and that will continue. Also, thanks for your info on the price of oil going up. I hope you shared your cyrstal ball with management so they didn't hedge too high.
My post meant to respond to the claim that Delta's presence in the European market is somehow equal to the threat of a specific aircraft type be it DC9 or 757.
P.S. I don't remember posting that oil would be going up...but yes it is a variable and variables can't be depended on whether they be for the good or bad.
10-28-2008, 08:03 PM
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Regardless of whether a dc9 will always be a dc9 or a 757 will always be a 757, I think the point of the DAL argument is that why should DAL guys be on the hook for a possible furlough as a result of a dc9 reduction, in the near term. Just the same, NWA guys should not be on the hook for a possible furlough as a result of a reduction of DAL aircraft, in the near term.
The blah, blah, blah, was for Super bringing up the SLI crap in every single post. I am almost to the point where I'd rather listen to someone spout off about Obama/McCain than I would this SLI crap. I can't wait for December even if it does mean an AE with displacements.
believe it or not i agree with you, i am tired of hearing about it also but unfortunately thats the topic in the majority of these threads.
10-28-2008, 08:07 PM
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Can we please kill this thread already???? moderators?
10-28-2008, 08:10 PM
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This shows why stapling or current position ratios cant always be justified. It also can and likely will change on a moments notice. The DC9 was the threat portrayed by the DAL side this summer and now the threat looks like DALs large presence in the slowing European travel numbers. The 9s are going to be very helpful now since they are paid for and fuel is down. This is a merger of equals and the Asian flying we do will help offest some of the European flying in the slow times. Lets hope the combo of our two companies will be what makes us stronger.
Things are about to get very interesting.
Things are about to get very interesting.
So Asia never slows down - just Europe? Asia is no better or worse than other markets - good times, great times, slow times etc (almost sounds like a LED ZEP song)- remember SARs?
As far as the DC-9s go, I agree they are looking better and better as fuel goes down but here is the rub: You guys want to fence off the Widebody NW aircraft for NW guys - fair enough. But I say if we (on both sides) fence off the heavies to protect heavy pilots - why not protect the junior guys also. Fence off the narrow body FO positions so that if, and I repeat if, planes are parked the pilots that came with them are displaced. If we park 88's the DAL guys get bumped - if we park '9's the NW guys get bumped. This would allow a lot of flexibility at the bottom the list. IF no planes are parked all is well, if aircraft gets parked the pilots that came with bear the brunt of the pain. This would also allow a better mix for the post 911 guys.
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10-28-2008, 08:10 PM
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P.S. I'm not the one with the argument here...you are. I'm debating it.
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10-28-2008, 08:22 PM
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I am not the one saying DAL is considering cuts in the international markets it serves look at your own side for that info. The DC9 has been portrayed by the DAL side as a threat, has it not? You did it again in the above post? Your side always presents it as negatively as possible while trying to make DAL out to be nothing but sunshine and rainbows. DAL has a weakness in the Atlantic region. Thats a fact right now. The other fact is the DC9 is more viable now than it was a couple months ago. It brings with it flexibility and will help the new DAL as a filler until a replacement at mainline is found and the credit market Free's up allowing more options. You said above "low fuel prices continuing are not something to bet on". That could go either way, people a couple months ago were betting on 200 bucks a barrel and look where that got them. I understand why you guys continue to portray the DC9 in a bad light because that helps your sides argument but the truth remains anything can happen. Your sides assumptions on the DC9s are nothing more than assumptions.
A couple months ago if we would have come on here and said DAL WILL be cutting international capacity next summer because of failing markets would your side have flamed us? That is nothing more that what is done in regards to the DC9. Everything is speculation and everything can change at any moment.
You're right though the DC9 will always be a DC9, it has been that way for a long time The DC9 can and will be moved around into different markets just like the 757s will, no surprise there.
I understand why you guys continue to portray the DC9 in a bad light because that helps your sides argument but the truth remains anything can happen. Your sides assumptions on the DC9s are nothing more than assumptions. A couple months ago if we would have come on here and said DAL WILL be cutting international capacity next summer because of failing markets would your side have flamed us? That is nothing more that what is done in regards to the DC9. Everything is speculation and everything can change at any moment.
You're right though the DC9 will always be a DC9, it has been that way for a long time
The DC9 can and will be moved around into different markets just like the 757s will, no surprise there.I have yet to post whether I agree or disagree with DALPA's arguments against the 9 (neither sides can predict the future but both are positioning themselves for the worst...anyone surprised?) . So while yes your response does an excellent job of stating why DALPA's stance can be argued against (nothing new there). It does not directly support your claim that just because a certain market, be it domestic, Asian, African, European, or Latin has been reported as weak, that it is both relevant to the SLI process and equal to the concerns directly related to the future of a specific aircraft and the jobs that come with it. I'm not arguing for it! Just trying to show apples & oranges.
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10-28-2008, 09:36 PM
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cycle....I wasnt talking to you
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