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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
(Post 754144)
+1 yea Carl, you go girl!
Problem is that C2k12 will come, people will get all fired up, DALPA will sell us on why we have to accept a mediocre contract, we will approve it, then everyone gets ****ed for another 4-6 years. BD Carl |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 754192)
I believe C2K rates adjusted for our equipment may work out to be about what WN rates are for the fluf.
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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 754213)
I don't think so. C2K had 73N rates at $256 an hour, which is substantially more than SWA's current rate.
You're right. Still, a decent start to get the 73N pay up to that at least. 257 an hour at top out would approximate UPS's top end scale at the end of their raises I believe. Stand by for those that know more than me supplying corrections. :) |
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
(Post 754205)
well, honestly i'd prefer to work than to sit SC reserve but i'm enjoying my longcall beard that i've produced this week :D
Been 14 days since I've flown. Would have had birds beginning to nest if I hadn't have shaced last week... You have to commute so that requires the shave for short call- I don't even shave for that! |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 754186)
Carl at about 2.5 billion a year our costs are about 9% of the revenue intake a year. That is in today's environment. I do not have the data in front of me to state what they were in 2004, but suffice to say they were probably a lot higher.
Huge, No, but a fairly fixed cost over the life of a contract.It was not what put us there. I agree with that, it was just the last big expense that the current leadership signed on to before the dam broke. Our biggest problem IMO is that we as pilots and type A ppl think we play a bigger role at time than we do. That is both good and bad. We're not talking about the entire pilot cost. We're talking about the INCREASE required to bring wages to above Southwest - thus making us industry leading. Not the total pilot payroll, the increase. And THAT number is relatively small. Yet we still have a ton of posters here crying that we just can't do it. My sincere hope is that these guys aren't really pilots, but some cubicle inhabitant in ATL. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 754217)
ACL,
We're not talking about the entire pilot cost. We're talking about the INCREASE required to bring wages to above Southwest - thus making us industry leading. Not the total pilot payroll, the increase. And THAT number is relatively small. Yet we still have a ton of posters here crying that we just can't do it. My sincere hope is that these guys aren't really pilots, but some cubicle inhabitant in ATL. Carl Carl, Are you talking about pegging our 73N rates to match or better theirs? I'm assuming so. Don't know if you know much about their work rules, but they bring in a rediculous amount of credit, too. It's extremely easy there to bring home 80 or 90 hours of credit due to their rigs and rules. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 754192)
I believe C2K rates adjusted for our equipment may work out to be about what WN rates are for the fluf.
Take that, some better DC stuff, 28k improvement, and other sundries and that sounds like an appropriate contract. How to negotiate it is a whole nother animal. Step two is to give smelling salts to most of the people on this forum who will faint for fear that we'll ruin the company. Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 754196)
The trick would be to get their 73N rates as our 73N rates and for the bigger stuff to go up from there.
Just for giggles. We pay 168 per flt hr They pay 206 per flt hr A 38 dollar an hr difference. That would be about a 23% jump in this years rates. That would pay a 777A or a 744A 257 per flt hr if that was your goal. That's what I was assuming. The top end pay would approximate the UPS top end at the end of their raises in 2012. |
It's nice to get a paycheck of $0. I'm on family leave right now, but I still flew two trips and had vacation in January. I should get paid almost 55 hours. Is there something in the contract saying I don't get a regular check in my situation? What happened to $1300?
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 754221)
Step one is to open for it.
Step two is to give smelling salts to most of the people on this forum who will faint for fear that we'll ruin the company. Carl I agree. The kicker for me is how much is too much? As in how much would be the max you could ask for and not stalemate the whole process? AMR'ing it, so to speak... |
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