You were not the final straw. Pilot pay costs are just too small a part of the equation.

Carl

With someone elses capital outlay on both accounts?

Trying to use Bar lingo. :D

Southwest is a perfect comparison. Why you and others in management only want to talk about the dysfunctional airline du jour is beyond me.

I have never talked about C2K. I have only talked about an industry leading contract - even if it is only 1% above Southwest. OK? Got it? Are you sure? I'm not talking about C2K.

I will however agreee with whatever you say if you will just get rid of that creepy avatar. :eek:

Carl

Carl at about 2.5 billion a year our costs are about 9% of the revenue intake a year. That is in today's environment. I do not have the data in front of me to state what they were in 2004, but suffice to say they were probably a lot higher.

Huge, No, but a fairly fixed cost over the life of a contract.It was not what put us there. I agree with that, it was just the last big expense that the current leadership signed on to before the dam broke.

Our biggest problem IMO is that we as pilots and type A ppl think we play a bigger role at time than we do. That is both good and bad.

Dearest Poop Magnet,

A disco stick is where you dress like someone 2 years away from an OD and make very slightly covered sexual suggestions while being played on the radio that children are very likely to listen to.

Darn whipper snappers.

Adi-hoes,

Clamp

I sure hope not. If we did that, you and I would probably not be at the controls.

Like I said a few weeks ago. We appear to be going head to head with AMR. JAL will be decided one way or another in short order, the West Coast and Latin America are next. Many countries are slot controlled as they have been hinting at during some of the base visits. One way to get more slots is to buy an airline, or their slots. I can think of one privately held company that has slots that would be worth a good bit of money for their players to get out.

Lots of things need to happen to get to that point, but AMR is a strong competitor and we will need to fight there too. Slots and access is just one element of it. They are necessary to wage the war. They provide access.

Just to add a point for conversation regarding the economy and furlough stuff....wasn't there just an email stating that delta would invest a lot of money regarding the customers experience between now and I believe 2014 or something? They stated we would be adding first class sections to an additional 30+ CRJ 700's I think. Seems to me were going in the opposite direction of a furlough now. Why put the seats in if you'd just have to drag them all back out?

Something to think about.

fly

and yes johnso is correct. He's back on the bus due to increased NB flying. Praise the lord. I was right above him and was/am still FLYING EVERY FRIGGIN DAY.

I believe C2K rates adjusted for our equipment may work out to be about what WN rates are for the fluf.

Take that, some better DC stuff, 28k improvement, and other sundries and that sounds like an appropriate contract.

How to negotiate it is a whole nother animal.

That is just complete crap Bar. You have nothing to base such a comment on whatsoever. Just your knee-jerk hatred of everything NWA. I don't know why you still talk about NWA as some sort of disease. If NWA was that bad, you have the stupidest management on Earth currently. Of course, NWA was very, very good for Delta. Had it been decided that NWA would be the surviving corporation, Delta would have been very, very good for NWA.

Car.

They need a FC in as many jets as possible. That includes DCI. The reason they opted to do this on the 700 was simple. There is no ROI on trading one in for a 900. This way they get FC seats on a jet that is on property and at a cost of four Tourist Class seats.

FWIW, the seat scope trigger is for 76 seat jets not 70's. The 700's are actually getting four seats pulled on each jet. Better for gas and jumpseaters.