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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 754533)
Denny;
It is important to debate the points here and on other forums. Many of the "Silent Majority" read this stuff to form an opinion. Arguing both side of an issue is good for the gander. Carl; We are on the same page more or less. A few pages back I did the math for a SWA parity rate on our 737's versus their. It was a 23 percent raise off of this year. Though the math is not perfect each percent is about 18 million and goes up as you compound the raises on each other. Ergo: To reach parity we would need a 414 million dollar increase per year to our cost. ( Probably 500 million as we do the math for are larger jets) That equates to about 1.5% of our revenue this year. Doable IMO. I also would not be surprised to see us morph to a 40 billion dollar a year corp as the world economy turns. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 754538)
I've never been a fan of mediation. It is just another delay tactic. Plus mediation is never binding. Now if you mean arbitration or binding arbitration - absolutely not! It is way too easy for arbitrators to become one with the side who has the keys to the cash register.
Carl I've looked at mediation as something the company wants to stay away from (gumberment involbment). But I agree, anything that slows down the process is a bad thing. Ferd Piece of Labor Relations history trivia. Truman vetoed the RLA and it was overridden by the Senate. |
Also Carl, as one pointed out that is before the tax write down. So less than a percentage point to allow us to earn closer to what we are worth. :D
I will spend some time doing some excel work when I get a chance, but overall given where we are with revenue it only gets better in regards to total cost. To dovetail my points about debt last night. As revenue increases as we "plane out" of this financial mess, with debt constraint, we can gain an industry leading contract and pay down the debt in a few short years. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 754536)
Also Carl;
I think that it would be beneficial to open Sec 6 early, but what benefit does the company have? (As you see it) :D Early Section 6 is a no cost item for management, because negotiations have to begin at some point and everyone on their side is salaried. It is a huge cost item for the compay if they are planning on delaying things til 2015 in order to delay pilot pay increases during a period of high inflation. How they react to the request is going to be extremely telling. Carl |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 754533)
A few pages back I did the math for a SWA parity rate on our 737's versus their. It was a 23 percent raise off of this year. Though the math is not perfect each percent is about 18 million and goes up as you compound the raises on each other.
Agreed, doable! |
Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 754544)
Piece of Labor Relations history trivia. Truman vetoed the RLA and it was overridden by the Senate.
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
(Post 754098)
If we hire in the near future. Does anyone have any pull from ASA back in the day to get this Jake the bachelor an interview. Wife likes the show. Think it would be a good pr for Delta. I think Jake would rather fly a widebody one day than a 73 his whole life.
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
(Post 754547)
Wasn't it about 23% that we gave up in the first round of cuts to get us into "safe harbor"?
Agreed, doable! That puts our 73NA's at 206 or whatever the SWA 12 yr A makes. It makes the A's of the 73N on parity. I also put some numbers out there last night with 23-5-5-5-5 for the 744/777 rates. It ends with a 12 yr rate at about 337 an hr if I remember correctly. (2018 if you get a contract on 01.01.2013 or the day after ours expires) Dreaming I know So as I stated earlier 320 an hr was our 777A rate in 2004 we would hit that between 2015-2016 so about 12 years to make the same hourly rate not adjusted for inflation. |
Originally Posted by tsquare
(Post 754549)
I truly feel for you.
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 754546)
This is an excellent question.
Early Section 6 is a no cost item for management, because negotiations have to begin at some point and everyone on their side is salaried. It is a huge cost item for the compay if they are planning on delaying things til 2015 in order to delay pilot pay increases during a period of high inflation. How they react to the request is going to be extremely telling. Carl |
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