Originally Posted by keenster

That puts the company at a huge advantage- having green slips. Not saying to get rid of them at all but it sure takes away the ability to negotiate things when guys will fly green slips. I may be wrong about this, but the green slip program seems to favor the senior guys over the junior guys. If not, plz enlighten me as to how the system works. And maybe that is ok, but I would like to see it be equitable across the board.

Originally Posted by NuGuy

To say that GS flying is available to everyone is silly...it's really only available to those who live in base.

Originally Posted by johnso29

I'm going with the GS program. I think it is more fair then the 150% over 80hrs because open time could be taken by all the senior guys. The GS program combined with IA's spreads the wealth. It also provides lineholders the ability to make even more with GSWC. And straight pay above guarantee for reserves isn't bad.

Originally Posted by keenster

With my limited knowledge of GS flying, I am with you Nu. I think that the over 80 was much more equitable for the entire group. My take is that senior in base guys get the majority of GS flying. I have heard that the hightset paid guy bids a 737 sch out of ATL, drops his whole sch, and then fills up with green slips every month. That does not seem quite right to me and maybe this is incorrect information. Can anyone shed some light on this???

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Heyas FtB,

How so? The 1.5X system was available to everyone through the open time system, and even changes far down the month would put you in line for premium pay. You could pick up trips at any time of the month, not just the day ahead, and not just the trips that CS needed covering. ANY credit, at any time, over 80, was paid at the premium rate. Heck, a lot of time your awarded line gave you premium pay out of the box.

That was the way it was explained to me by someone in the merger committee that the 1.5X favored senior pilots I guess when it came to picking up the trips. Check your pm. You know better than I, was that the case?

What's overlooked quite a bit is that in addition to the over-80 premium, there were "premium" trips at NWA (very similar to GS flying) that someone under 80 could benefit from (get paid 1.5x), and if you were over 80, the multipliers stacked (1.5x1.5).

To say that GS flying is available to everyone is silly...it's really only available to those who live in base.

GS and WS are really for people who live in base. However, on the ER category it works very well for commuters. A lot of people commuted to GS's in NYC and had scheduling positive space them (only works on day of trips btw, don't get too excited). There were NYC ER guys who got quite a few GSWC and tripple paid. Thunderstorm season is a very good season on the ER for making money.

So really, even if the over-80 flying favored the senior (which is basically false), the "premium flying" has just been shifted to a different group, rather than distributed evenly.

I favor going back to the system that NWA had, which was an overriding premium for over-80 (which benefits everyone), in addition to trip specific premium (to encourage coverage) that can benefit those under 80 as well as those who are in a position to take advantage.

As I think Sink or Clamp said, nothing wrong with having the best of both worlds but the math was explained to me but sadly I can't it explain it back to you correctly so I won't try.

Of course, I'd also require the company to use their proper "caller ID" when calling your home, but I'm kinda fussy that way.

Nu

Originally Posted by NuGuy

Heyas FtB,



I favor going back to the system that NWA had, which was an overriding premium for over-80 (which benefits everyone), in addition to trip specific premium (to encourage coverage) that can benefit those under 80 as well as those who are in a position to take advantage.


Nu

Originally Posted by Scoop

Nu,
This topic was discussed in great detail a few months ago, I said then that the premium over 80 system sounds great, but what are the long term consequences? If this system were to result in an increase in the average monthly hours flown per pilot, what would be the long term affects on manning? I would tend to think, not too good.

Scoop

Originally Posted by freightguy

I am scheduled to DH back LAX. I decide to deviate and call the company. When they show me deviating, will they cancel my originally assigned company transportation (from LAX downtown hotel) back to the airport as well?

Originally Posted by keenster

Being form the north side (dark side) joke, it will take us some time to learn what is going on so be patient with us as we trying to figure things out. The funnel has been inserted into the brain and has been on full throttle. Our education on the contract, company union relationship, and the union's position on issues is pretty much left to the individual and there has not been a great deal of information coming our way. Sure it is there, but you have to dig it out on your on. That is a big reason I am on this forum. So if we seem a bit negative at times, it is because of where we came from and how we were used to dealing with our previous management. Thanks for the comments.