Ask one of your senior and most out spoken Captains.

Are you saying Delta is going to try and sell one of the wholly owned DCIs?

I do not understand your answer???????????????????????

The way I see is RAH will be buying the 190's from LLC, buy Compass, and fly more routs for Delta out of LGA. Management will find a way to do it. Not good for anyone.

Furloughed, so not currently an option. Plus, that doesn't narrow it down much anyway!

They are always for sale, there are just no buyers that are willing to actually pay for them.

No that scenario is not good for anyone.

Point was that he has some well founded concerns.

Yes, it is. There should be a link to it, since it was just posted.

What makes Compass an attractive company to buy is it has a small junior pilot group and a great fleet of aircraft. It would be easy to integrate with the rest of RAH. This is just my opinion, but what do I know?

You mean like NorthWest's control of MidWest morphs into MidWest flying out of the NorthEast while SkyWest has concerns formerly MidAtlantic underbids Atlantic SouthEast for the NorthEast, MidWest and the SouthEast? Anybody got a Compass?

Where's Bunny Lebowski's toe in all of this?

That scenario is not good for pilots. It is great for investors and high-level management.

From another website that is posting the Glen Hauenstein chat:

DL 777-300ER (Aug 13, 2009 10:06:23 AM)
According to the Delta Blog, 101 former NW planes have been painted with 139 left to be painted. That totals 240 planes to be painted in the new DL colors. Currently, the NW mainline fleet is over 300 planes. Does this mean we will ground over 60 former NW mainline planes?

Glen Hauenstein (Aug 13, 2009 10:06:23 AM)
You know, I really don't know where that number came from, but we have no current plans to ground any additional aircraft than we have previously announced, and we intend to paint all of the Northwest airplanes. I think the TOC team has made some great progress painting this many airplanes so quickly and I am sure we can count on them to have the job completed on time.

yclops (Aug 13, 2009 10:16:58 AM)
Any chance Delta might try to outbid Southwest for Frontier Airlines? It would seem like 160 million for 40 airbuses would be a good deal. I'd rather see more airbuses than MD-90s.

Glen Hauenstein (Aug 13, 2009 10:16:58 AM)
The MD90 is a far superior aircraft economically than the Airbus. That’s why we are looking to acquire more. I have no idea where the WN bid will wind up, but we do know they will need to have deep pockets if they are serious about winning.

Glen Hauenstein (Aug 13, 2009 10:24:22 AM)
There are a number of questions regarding CVG and how it relates to yesterday's announcement regarding LGA. Let me try to answer them the best I can.

Glen Hauenstein (Aug 13, 2009 10:26:10 AM)
1.) The aircraft for LGA will come from under-performing markets across the entire network as well as the aircraft "freed" by our reductions in DCA. CVG will not be singled out as a target, but does continue to have more than the average number of underperforming markets so yes, some will come from CVG.

2.) Our local market pricing reductions have worked quite well, and I am sure you can see that the number of people coming through the front door of the airport is up significantly versus before the fare restructuring.

3.) As we continue to evolve our presence in CVG we will continue to focus on the successful large O&D markets and be less reliant on flow markets with little or no local traffic to CVG. We can do this since the CVG local market size has expanded with the fare restructuring

Lastly, our ultimate goal is to find a profitable solution for CVG. We will continue to evolve this hub as market conditions change.

More irony, the "Independence Air" Certificate owned by a conglomerate.

This is like reality TV, but we are the restaurant owner where the 300lb ladies stage the food fight and pull out each others' hair weave. Our job is to wait until the fight's over and clean up all the "naasty, naahsty."

Brilliance :D

Published: August 14, 2009

The Boeing Company has hit another snag in building its 787 Dreamliner, one that stock analysts say seems minor but will nevertheless raise more questions about when the plane will be ready for a test flight.

Boeing confirmed Friday that it had instructed an Italian company, Alenia Aeronautica, in June to stop making additional fuselage sections for the passenger plane after small wrinkles were found in the carbon composite skin.

The order to stop production came the same day Boeing executives announced that the 787’s first flight would be delayed indefinitely to fix a structural flaw where the wings join the fuselage.

Blah blah blah. Delayed.
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Is this 787 turning into the modern day L1011?

If Compass is sold, the flow must go with it. Seems like a very large
deterrent as BB & RAH have enough labor problems to deal with in the near future.

Some observations of Mr. Moak's presentation and Q&A at the Compass Road Show in MSP yesterday:

1) He blasted the APA for holding the line on 50-seat scope and for their attempts to bring the regional feed into the mainline. He firmly believes (somehow...) that if they give up their scope that it will mean 1000 mainline pilots brought back from furlough.

2) The MEC is very much in favor of as MANY flow-through agreements as they can get, because it "couples the regional feed to the brand". Actively seeking to sign more flow agreements.

3) He said the 76-seat scope is "gone and will not be coming back to the mainline".

4) Compass will be out of the Delta MEC in October, pending a miracle; Compass will not get DAL numbers.

5) He says there are no violations by RAH/Shuttle America and that they are looking into it.

6) He knows that people hammer him on this (and other) boards.

All in all, it seemed as though he was trying to convince us that we need to accept our shoddy contract and pay because we are "Delta pilots". The scope battle just seems that much tougher now.

"Hey Ya'll watch this!!!!!" Soon to be followed by "Oh SH__!!!!!!!":eek:[/quote]

Isn't the word "Y'all?" As in the New Delta slogan "Hey y'all. Wanna come with?" I'm just asking cuz I'm new to this whole South thing.:)

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Isn't the word "Y'all?" As in the New Delta slogan "Hey y'all. Wanna come with?" I'm just asking cuz I'm new to this whole South thing.:)

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Gnewt..quite observant of you. The apostrophe in Y`all takes the place of "ou"... Since you are probably a yankee and are trying to learn our language, please remember that Y`all is pural, but only applies to a small group, maybe two or three people. More than that number would be " all y`all". BTW, mecca is pronounced "Adlanna", that drink that is now served on former NM aircraft is known as "Ko-kola". We don`t drink "pop' or "sodas"

wonder why RAH is laying off sim guys in STL?

Sounds like he means business. Not the direction this pilot group needs to take.

Isn't the word "Y'all?" As in the New Delta slogan "Hey y'all. Wanna come with?" I'm just asking cuz I'm new to this whole South thing.:)

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Y'all aint going to believe this SH__! I'm so busted. I guess I've been out in Socal too long.......... I'm sure my good ole'boy card will soon be revoked...

Perhaps since I attended high school in the South as well as a Southern University, I'll receive a waiver... I believe it's under the Public School Exemption or (PSE).

Dude, I'm sooooo confused now...... Can't decide if I should wear my cowboy boots or board shorts.:cool:

Next saying: "Y'all hold on, this is going to be scary as hell!" Context; What Lee is telling us about his leadership moving forward....

As a 13 year, mid 50% DAL Pilot...this would be a bad thing. All flying 70 seats and more needs to be mainline flying period. The economics support that this can be done at the mainline level and I for one am tired of our flying and mainline dollars being send elsewhere. This signals the need for a change at the MEC level.............

(if true) Your post is a BIG DEAL. It tells me nothing has changed (ACL, told you so mi'amigo)

Is he appearing again? If so, PM me. Someone needs to ask the right questions.

This ALPA Aparthied vision is ideologically, logically, morally and pragmatically bankrupt. It is justified by bankruptcy "save ourselves" thinking, based on bankruptcy economics and perpetuates our bankruptcy bargaining results. I've already posted the list of flaws in the flow through, so for the sake of redundancy I'll skip the entire list (unless someone asks for it). Lets just concentrate on one aspect of the vision.

Obvious Flaws:

• Compass pilots are too small and control too small a part of the pie to have any real bargaining leverage.
• Compass will be an inexperienced MEC and if the flow works properly (which I doubt) it will remain an inexperienced MEC that lacks the ability to even have officers at the airline for the length of typical Section 6 negotiations.
• If the Delta MEc undertakes the task of negotiating these standards, then Delta is using its bargaining capital on flying it does not perform.
• How can the Delta MEC set contract goals for pilots it does not represent?
• Other DCI groups are either not represented (as in SkyWest) or represented by Teamsters. There is no way they are going to set their goals to the opinions of a Delta pilot.

Lee Moak, frankly, should not have the power to say "Delta pilots have given up on scope restoration." But, he probably does have that power, which saddens me.

I believe ALPA is the best hope for this profession and want to like Moak. He did a great job with the US Air hostile takeover and the merger (IMHO). If it will take a miracle, I'm a miracle worker.

In the mean time, he's giving away something that is worth a whole lot. If he wants to sell Compass, he should at least study it and know what it is worth.

Unfortunately, Bar, he was in MEM today, and that is it for the Compass Road Shows.

Bar,

I did forget the part about meeting with the DCI MEC heads to negotiate a minimum standard for safety/hiring practices. He told us that this will make the bargaining position stronger for DCI airlines and to "couple the brand" - heard that one a lot yesterday. I know one surefire way to Couple the Brand - make all flying one brand. Too logical, I know.

And the part about the large RJ scope being "gone" was something said as an aside to a different question. It took me a minute to realize what he said.

What is this guy's agenda? It seems quite contradictory to many Delta pilots...espcially ones who post in this forum.

Lambs being lead to slaughter....:(

Moak has got to go. That birthday cake must have had something in it.

Rough,

Of course, the next question is. "If you are helping management package us up to sell, and everyone else is getting a flow through, what is our place in line? Is that what NWA promised us? What about the Delta MEC's representational duty to look out for our best interests?"

Moak and Mike Haber must be amigos. How else to explain the rush to get the Delta MEC in another legal battle? I mean why? When the better course of action is so clear?

Nevermind.................

Hey Bar, you know anyone that is thinking of running that feels that scope and unity are worth fighting for?

When Joe Kolshak came back for a second slice of pie by asking for another 12% pay reduction he was doing his job as Delta management. He took the temperature of the Delta Pilot group, told management that we would bite off on this..... and the rest is history.

Now you have Lee Moak, who is I thought was representing us, giving up on scope, not listening to the pilot group. Perhaps Lee could find a high level job elsewhere within our company. I don't feel as though I'm getting my 1.95% of representation from Lee.

I think the world of my Marine Corps brothers, but this is not giving me a good feeling about the leadership that Lee is providing.

What am I missing?

TC

I thought Moak was ok.... But after these remarks I think he needs to be recalled... I have no idea how he can be defended!

My question, is which of you are telling your reps to have LM take this position?

Hello?

Which guy, RoughLandings or Moak?

One has a 4 year track record of delivering positive returns (including scope) to Delta pilots. One is a presumed Compass pilot posting under an anonymous pseudonym.

I suspect he's the same American MD-80 furloughee that misrepresented everything said there....:rolleyes: Instead of taking it up with his "facts" on our forum, he plays the cowardly game without accountability.

Here come the fireworks!!!!

What's positive about watching 76 seat, two class jets (which may or may not weigh 86,000 lbs) flying around with non-Delta pilots?

Well, Bang, boom, ahhh, Ohhh....If what Rough landings is qouting is true, then I say we need LM out of there. Maybe when can get the same guys that are running this airline to head the MEC...If LM doesn't listen to his pilot group, then he needs to go and take the out dated ALPA with him. Now is the time to rid ourselves of ALPA, the next contract will be up and it will be our time to take our slice of the pie. All Alpa wants to do is grow its bank role along with 70's staches...ACL grow a stach or cut it off if you have one and head this revolution. Viva in house union...

I write my Rep EVERY month. I voice my displeasure with the continued outsourcing of our flying, & question whether Lee Moak cares enough to prevent our 100 seat flying from disappearing. It's what I consider as a pilot group our biggest battle, & it's here. Yes, Negotiations don't open for a few years but we should be making the battle plan NOW!! And everytime I ask about it I'm told Moak will not discuss the issue. Doesn't give me warm fuzzies about his direction.

Before we burn the house down, lets work on the house. If it still sucks, then we can talk about an in house union.
Lets not get a head of ourselves.