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Old 04-27-2010 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by filejw
Having been around for 30 plus years I must say this is the attitude that kills us as a union. In this particular instance I ask you, ever hear of equal pay for equal work? I've noticed the difference on my rotations when I fly with reserves and think this should be fixed at the next opportunity.

He's a 2008 hire, he was being sarcastic.
Old 04-27-2010 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
Don't you know..here at Delta we don't file grievances. We just let our scheduliung or negotiating commitee handle things....nothing to see here, move along
Like peanut butter on a mousetrap, I knew it would draw one of the usual suspects out. I'll let go of your chain now.
Old 04-27-2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Not everyone agrees with you (now THERE'S a surprise). I have a close friend who is a 737 Captain over there and he has very mixed feelings regarding them turning down the previous offer...
Not supprised that some Captains feel that way. The TAs Captain rates actually topped Delta's 12 year rate with additional raises to year 15 topping out $20/hr better based on 2008 numbers. By the last increase however the Delta 12 year rate would have topped the Airtran 12 year rate but their 15 year rate would still have left them about $7/hr better than Delta's top rate.

Unfortunately to do this the FO rates were left very low and capped out at 12 years. As an example the third year FO rate was about $20/hr less then Delta's 3rd year and the 12 year rate was almost $10 less. By the last increase the 3rd year pay difference grew to $30/hr for 3rd year FOs and $19 for 12 year FOs.

IMO the pilots did the right thing to vote it down for this reason alone but I believe there were some other issues such as scope that were equally important. However considering the stagnation that has resulted I can see how some (especially the more senior Captains) could now have buyers remorse.

I will also point out that the 5 year CA rates were about $17 hour behind Deltas' at DOS and would have been $32/hr behind at the last step increase. If Airtran had made the CAs rates higher throughout the longevity scale they may have been able to divide the pilot group more but as it was it was not a good deal for most of the seniority list. (again IMO)
Old 04-27-2010 | 01:48 PM
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VPR; agreed.

They also wanted to change the way their trip credits worked, which would have killed the guys doing the high speed lines.
Old 04-27-2010 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Johnso, I think you know the answer to that.

One is obvious and two is the fact that we are starting to see people growing a pair again. Our memories are short.

Remember pre 9-11 where Air Rage was the talk of the day. 9-11 happened and that stuff disappeared. While nine years later and people are starting to forget about what and why we were where we were pre then post 9-11.
The good news is that pax in general are none too receptive to this type of behavior anymore. Just last week on our LAX-TPA redeye pax helped subdue & restrain a unruly pax who made multiple threats to 'down the plane'.
Old 04-27-2010 | 01:56 PM
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Delta Airlines will add two flights from Piedmont Triad International Airport to Atlanta in June, bringing the total number of daily departures from PTI to Atlanta to 12, airport officials announced Tuesday.

Officials also announced that Delta will be adding a daily departure from PTI to Cincinnati in June, and plans to upgrade its equipment from PTI to Atlanta in August.

At that time, Delta intends to upgrade two of the departures to Atlanta from regional jets to mainline jets, maintaining the same number of departures, but increasing significantly the number of seats from PTI to Atlanta.
Old 04-27-2010 | 02:02 PM
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Is that Winston-Salem NC?
Old 04-27-2010 | 02:11 PM
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Piedmont Triad International Airport - serving Greensboro, High Point, Winston-Salem and the surrounding Piedmont area.
Old 04-27-2010 | 02:18 PM
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Is there that much traffic there? Here in Texas we oversell every aircraft and beg for more. We could kick SWA and CAL out of SAT if we flew to more hubs direct.
Old 04-27-2010 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Is there that much traffic there? Here in Texas we oversell every aircraft and beg for more. We could kick SWA and CAL out of SAT if we flew to more hubs direct.
You may get you wish. Same with DFW, but there is no need to get in to that right now....
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