Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-07-2009, 07:36 AM
#4051
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Thank you for the kind words.
Fact is that this Delta Surplus bid is just the opening salvo. NWA will have one next. Then depending on the economy and progress of SOC, it is anyone's guess.
Get ready for a few years of looking for the new crew lounge in each new city you will be base in. Think of it as an adventure.
Remember that as of today no one has lost their source of income at the combined carrier. ASA just announced 80 furloughs effective Feb 9th. Those guys are on the street, with a very slim chance of finding a job.
Perspective. If you do not have it, get it. It makes life a lot more fun to live.
Fact is that this Delta Surplus bid is just the opening salvo. NWA will have one next. Then depending on the economy and progress of SOC, it is anyone's guess.
Get ready for a few years of looking for the new crew lounge in each new city you will be base in. Think of it as an adventure.
Remember that as of today no one has lost their source of income at the combined carrier. ASA just announced 80 furloughs effective Feb 9th. Those guys are on the street, with a very slim chance of finding a job.
Perspective. If you do not have it, get it. It makes life a lot more fun to live.
01-07-2009, 07:46 AM
#4052
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,539
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
the question is why is dalpa not doing everything it can to fight for what is right for it's new members? Why does it have to take an uprising to bring things to attention?
For instance, A grievance is getting filed on behalf of all fnwa pilots whom hasn't reached the 12 year cap yet because mgmt is telling us that our longevity increases will stay under the old Nwa way but probation, dpma,etc will be followed per the contract. That is bs! That equates to several thousand dollars per pilot. There is alot of this crap being pulled and dalapa isn't doing anything to help correct it for it's newest members Aka fnwapilots. This our union leaders are busting a to work on the several hundred grievances. Mgmt is picking and choosing what they want to move forward with in the implimentation of the contract for us fnwa pilots and dalapa seems to be unconcerned about it's members getting bent thus why our Mec members want to handle our grievances.
For instance, A grievance is getting filed on behalf of all fnwa pilots whom hasn't reached the 12 year cap yet because mgmt is telling us that our longevity increases will stay under the old Nwa way but probation, dpma,etc will be followed per the contract. That is bs! That equates to several thousand dollars per pilot. There is alot of this crap being pulled and dalapa isn't doing anything to help correct it for it's newest members Aka fnwapilots. This our union leaders are busting a to work on the several hundred grievances. Mgmt is picking and choosing what they want to move forward with in the implimentation of the contract for us fnwa pilots and dalapa seems to be unconcerned about it's members getting bent thus why our Mec members want to handle our grievances.
Tell me again why you think you're "getting bent?"
If the NWA position on duty rigs had merit, the Delta negotiating committee would be on board. They're not. What's that tell you? I note that in your rant you don't mention anything about taking away time and a half for over 80 hours (current NWA book). You want that too?
I'll remind you that when it came to paying your sick leave, the DAL guys were in agreement and helped you get that fixed. That's the one where you used to get 75% pay for your second sick call. Want that back?
Originally Posted by Superpilot92
What do you guys feel is right? Is it ok that mgmt is picking and choosing on what they want to comply with and when?
Maybe you ought to go back and review the record one more time. Examine the facts with 20-20 hindsight and see if various communications reflect the reality of what we've all gone through. I'll point you back to the vitriol spewed after LOA 19 (was it leverage against the NWA pilots or did you get the same thing and more), the testimony of your merger representatives, and the testimony of your MEC chair...
I've looked at all that stuff and it's pretty clear to me that Captains Stevens, Stuart and Grimes don't live in the same world that I do. Their world isn't supported by the facts or the record of the last year. Of course, Captain Stevens couldn't even remember how many of his pilots NWA was going to furlough...right....and you want him to remember exactly what he agreed to in negotiations?
A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth....
Now I await the educated response of Carl and the capn. It'll make for fun revisionist reading...
01-07-2009, 07:52 AM
#4053
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by Raging white
OK, do you not agree that integrity includes not misrepresenting another's words or motivations? There is NOTHING in that letter that is helpful or productive in moving forward. That lack of intellectual honesty, and purposely misrepresenting the facts is clearly not the example of integrity we need. Read it again, and put yourself in the FDAL's bro's shoes. It's very disappointing, and again, I hope it isn't the feeling of the FNWA pilots on the line.
Win that said I will answer the last part of your post, expect no I'll will by the Nwa line pilots. I assure you the majority of the Nwa pilot group is made up of good dudes and dudettes
Take care
Last edited by Superpilot92; 01-07-2009 at 08:03 AM.
01-07-2009, 07:53 AM
#4054
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
Posts: 6,844
Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
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When I get displaced to the DC-9 in MSP or DTW, is this the kind of reception and attitude I'm going to get from NWA guys?
When I get displaced to the DC-9 in MSP or DTW, is this the kind of reception and attitude I'm going to get from NWA guys?
New K Now
01-07-2009, 08:02 AM
#4055
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by slowplay
Let me start with a simple question, Super. What was your October 2008 paycheck, and what was your December 2008 paycheck? Ask a DAL guy that same question and his answer will be the two numbers are the same...
Tell me again why you think you're "getting bent?"
If the NWA position on duty rigs had merit, the Delta negotiating committee would be on board. They're not. What's that tell you? I note that in your rant you don't mention anything about taking away time and a half for over 80 hours (current NWA book). You want that too?
I'll remind you that when it came to paying your sick leave, the DAL guys were in agreement and helped you get that fixed. That's the one where you used to get 75% pay for your second sick call. Want that back?
Is it ok for NWALPA to pick and choose what parts of the contract to comply with on which they agreed? Is it ok for your reps in 54 and 54 to put out communications that misrepresent where our ONE pilot group is today, communications that are in stark contrast to those from Council 20, your EVP, and Council 1?
Maybe you ought to go back and review the record one more time. Examine the facts with 20-20 hindsight and see if various communications reflect the reality of what we've all gone through. I'll point you back to the vitriol spewed after LOA 19 (was it leverage against the NWA pilots or did you get the same thing and more), the testimony of your merger representatives, and the testimony of your MEC chair...
I've looked at all that stuff and it's pretty clear to me that Captains Stevens, Stuart and Grimes don't live in the same world that I do. Their world isn't supported by the facts or the record of the last year. Of course, Captain Stevens couldn't even remember how many of his pilots NWA was going to furlough...right....and you want him to remember exactly what he agreed to in negotiations?
A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth....
Now I await the educated response of Carl and the capn. It'll make for fun revisionist reading...
Tell me again why you think you're "getting bent?"
If the NWA position on duty rigs had merit, the Delta negotiating committee would be on board. They're not. What's that tell you? I note that in your rant you don't mention anything about taking away time and a half for over 80 hours (current NWA book). You want that too?
I'll remind you that when it came to paying your sick leave, the DAL guys were in agreement and helped you get that fixed. That's the one where you used to get 75% pay for your second sick call. Want that back?
Is it ok for NWALPA to pick and choose what parts of the contract to comply with on which they agreed? Is it ok for your reps in 54 and 54 to put out communications that misrepresent where our ONE pilot group is today, communications that are in stark contrast to those from Council 20, your EVP, and Council 1?
Maybe you ought to go back and review the record one more time. Examine the facts with 20-20 hindsight and see if various communications reflect the reality of what we've all gone through. I'll point you back to the vitriol spewed after LOA 19 (was it leverage against the NWA pilots or did you get the same thing and more), the testimony of your merger representatives, and the testimony of your MEC chair...
I've looked at all that stuff and it's pretty clear to me that Captains Stevens, Stuart and Grimes don't live in the same world that I do. Their world isn't supported by the facts or the record of the last year. Of course, Captain Stevens couldn't even remember how many of his pilots NWA was going to furlough...right....and you want him to remember exactly what he agreed to in negotiations?
A lie repeated often enough becomes the truth....
Now I await the educated response of Carl and the capn. It'll make for fun revisionist reading...
01-07-2009, 08:17 AM
#4056
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Dismayed
Posts: 1,594
No, we will invite you out for a beer in DTW. I think they invite you to go ice fishing in MSP.
New K Now
New K Now
01-07-2009, 08:18 AM
#4057
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,324
Originally Posted by slowplay
What was your October 2008 paycheck, and what was your December 2008 paycheck? Ask a DAL guy that same question and his answer will be the two numbers are the same...
Stop with this old fight. It was not your money to give and we got it for ourselves by choosing to merge with Delta.
If the NWA position on duty rigs had merit, the Delta negotiating committee would be on board. They're not. What's that tell you?
Stop with this old fight. It was not your money to give and we got it for ourselves by choosing to merge with Delta.
If the NWA position on duty rigs had merit, the Delta negotiating committee would be on board. They're not. What's that tell you?
01-07-2009, 08:50 AM
#4059
Underboob King
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Guppy Commander
Posts: 4,412
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Thank you for the kind words.
Fact is that this Delta Surplus bid is just the opening salvo. NWA will have one next. Then depending on the economy and progress of SOC, it is anyone's guess.
Get ready for a few years of looking for the new crew lounge in each new city you will be base in. Think of it as an adventure.
Remember that as of today no one has lost their source of income at the combined carrier. ASA just announced 80 furloughs effective Feb 9th. Those guys are on the street, with a very slim chance of finding a job.
Perspective. If you do not have it, get it. It makes life a lot more fun to live.
Fact is that this Delta Surplus bid is just the opening salvo. NWA will have one next. Then depending on the economy and progress of SOC, it is anyone's guess.
Get ready for a few years of looking for the new crew lounge in each new city you will be base in. Think of it as an adventure.
Remember that as of today no one has lost their source of income at the combined carrier. ASA just announced 80 furloughs effective Feb 9th. Those guys are on the street, with a very slim chance of finding a job.
Perspective. If you do not have it, get it. It makes life a lot more fun to live.
Perspective is huge, tomorrow is the big day! Just a huge reminder of what's really important.
01-07-2009, 09:10 AM
#4060
Happy to be here
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: A-320A
Posts: 18,563
Best of luck to you and your wife. Bringing a life in to the world will keep all of this chatter in perspective.
I hope you got the big brother t-shirt!
I hope you got the big brother t-shirt!
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