[quote=Cycle Pilot;483986]My Dad's Road Runner would make a good chase car for the U-2... 1970 440 Six Pack with around 5000 miles.../quote]

That's the one!! First "booklet" I ever picked up at a dealership.....and I wasn't old enough to drive yet.

Your dad is a lucky man........but I would hope you paint it red someday;)

Ferd

The dang thing is worth WAY too much money to paint it! It would look cool, though!

Talk about a thread killer....

Fine... back to topic... What's the status of the A/E? :)

It was out last week, like it is EVERY month. Oh, you mean yours. Sorry, don't know.

Sorry boys, couldn't resist:p
Ferd

SLC boys,

How did the breakfast with Richard go today? Anything worth of writing home about?
Please share.

:mad: Oh yeah... oh yeah... well... :confused:... hey... thats a really good idea... i wish we had that... why don't we have that? I want the AE every month. Why can't we have the AE every month? Is that being merged in?

ACL65PILOT... :)... why don't we have AE's every month?

I mean I know some folks doing MD88 in NYC and they just want to come south to ATL where there is a need for them but they can't until the next AE. Seems like it'd benefit everyone if they could just bid every month.

Can't leave NYC. The need them up there too. Easier to supplement 757's on 88 routes out of ATL. The trip I just did was mostly an 88 trip.

No AE every month because that is the way that the PWA is written. Do not like it talk to the reps.

Thank god that cvg got the ER cat. With three year fences offered by us(which I thought we were approaching this with no fences) at least my commute won't have to be to NYC.

ER's in CVG will only stay if all of the 767 guys go to it.

I wasn't saying if. I'm saying it IS coming to CVG.

It is I am not arguing that it will be on the AE. It is just a question of if they keep it or pull the bid.

Does anyone have a educated guess as to when this mysterious AE will materialize?

All of us thought this week. That is what we were told. (Lat minute tweaks)

I have given up calling over there and trying to see what they are waiting for. I know that there are a few things that are close to being launched. Maybe they just decided to wait for those. They are big enough to do that.

I think they said they were going to wait until the SLI was over with and both sides were happy, thrilled, and wholeheartedly excited about the outcome as well as working with their professional counterparts.

I.E. The AE will be delayed indefinitely

Code A Phone Sep 5
 

From Code A Phone on Sep 5:Apparently not. It's unfortunate we're not seeing an AE in the first half of October as we were led to believe. I for one would appreciate more coming from leadership as to what we can expect rather than having only rumor to go on from those more in the know. (But I'll take what I can get :) )

I probably don't know the PWA well enough, but didn't see that it was written that way (i.e. a restriction on AE being posted every month).

While I tend to agree with you, I would rather have them postpone the bid so they get it right. With as much postponing as they have done, maybe they should just wait until Dec so we can see how this SLI deal, the election, and the economy are doing.

I agree 100%! 777s and 737s are delayed b/c of the strike, so what is the rush?

No you are correct. We could do an AE each month, but it is easier on the company not to do so. Other airlines have it written in to their PWA's to have position notices each and every month. We do not.

Now THAT's funny, I don't care who you are.

What is the rush?!
The rush is that some of us are actually trying to get out of the hell hole that is NYC.
Over half of the trips I have done while on reserve in NYC have been out of Atlanta (Which I like......anything to get me away from NYC)
Obviously they are way short on FO's out of ATL.......what is the hold up with this AE and moving people?

Not complaining here, just frustrated.

I think its because the main reason for the AE was to fill the 777 spots,which are now being delayed due to the Boeing strike. They dont want to pull these people out of their current seats train them and have them sitting around with no 777s to fly. I heard there will be some other advancements but it is mainly a 777 bid

Scoop

That and a few other items that will affect staffing post DCC.
Who knows when this sucker will be posted. We will see what they say next week.

They should just have an AE for XX number of FOs on the 88 in ATL. The need is obviously there. It's very unlikely you'd have any significant number of FOs bidding out of anything else other than an 88 in NYC, so there wouldn't be much cost involved; it would save them from DH them from NYC to ATL. They should have had this a long time ago.

But then it leaves the 88B in NYC short. You must displace to that position or hire externally. That is part of the debate going on currently.

I'll cover the NYC 88. It's a short train ride for me. Just tell them to start hiring.

Skyward80

I understand your frustration. A few things need to be worked out. Plus, with the 777's and 737-700's being well over two months late, some of those airframes will be here after the summer 09 schedule completes. That means we will not need the pilots we initially did. I would not be surprised to see some displacements on the AE to cover the 88. (Pure speculation, I have not heard OFFICIALLY that we are not hiring. It just seems logical that we do not need bodies for the summer schedule.)

I don't think it would leave the 88B in NYC short. I'm new to all this, but the number of 88B in NYC on reserve equates to 70% of the manning of 88B line holders there. In ATL it's only 17%. Opening a partial bid to allow some movement, say 15~20 FOs to move, would be good for the company and the pilots. That being said, I understand they're working on the AE and would prefer to put it all out at once, and putting out an AE to accommodate some FOs in NYC isn't worth the trouble when they can just DH them. But when you see it continually delayed you can't help but be frustrated (and a little lighter in the wallet from paying for a crashpad).

I totally understand. I think that many of the pilots were a time in your position. I know I was.

I think you can probably understand why NWA guys see giving up monthly advance awards as a concession. Nice to be able to have a contractual item that you can use to hold the company's feet to the fire. Yeah, maybe the monthly APA isn't always a groundshaking event, but at least you know when its coming.

I'll eat a little crow here--leadership is providing updates on the status of the AE. Just listened to the Code A Phone from Friday., Oct 24. My best paraphrasing of it:

"Our Crew Resources has intended to post an Advance Entitlement bid for the last couple of weeks, but we've had to pull that back because the schedule has been tweaked a little bit more for early next year and we need to complete further analysis. This analysis includes contingency planning for the merger and some differing economic assumptions. While we would like to post an entitlement soon, and I certainly anticipate that we will within the next several days, we want to be certain that we consider all of our options. I appreciate your patience."

Exactly. No reason to sit there are have bodies coming in the door when we do not have airplanes to put them in. (777's and 737's) These jets are going to be over two months late. That puts them online mid next year at the earliest.
This and a few other things that are being worked out. I would not be surprised to see some displacements.

I agree 100%. Let's fight for the NWA way!
Especially transferring around bases on the same aircraft/position should be done fast and easy.

How would the displacements work? Just cant wrap my mind around where these displacements would go to or come from?

Come from the 767B and go to the m88 B, if there needed to be any. It was just an idea that was floated around. Nothing official.

Just to add false hope, delaying the AE may not be a bad thing either :)

Boeing strike might be over, a TA was reached. We'll see what happens with the AE in the coming days.

UPDATE 1-Boeing, union in deal to end strike; shares up | Markets | Bonds News | Reuters

Great! Let's hope the T.A. passes!