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Only on your days off. A green slip trip that flies into your normal on call days only pays above guarantee for the hours flown on your off days (single hours, never double on reserve). Any portion that is flown during your scheduled reserve days goes into the 70 hours.

An exception is a green slip awarded while you are on call. One case, as an example, might be if you are on long call, legally rested, and they need a pilot ASAP (no short calls available). You would be called if you have a green slip in; otherwise, they revert to Inverse Assignments. You would be paid above guarantee for the hours on that day only; subsequent days go against the 70.

Bucking Bar

04-08-2011 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 977465)

Far more basic is this: DALPA/ALPA must defend the contract language they negotiated...or this union is toast.

Carl

IMHO the language in our contract is moronic and we are afraid of it. Why define all the work you DO NOT do? It allows airlines to run entire charter departments out from under you, like Air Canada does letting Jazz fly 757's. (BTW an exposure for us also, what if Delta Private Jets decided to staff your 747 on charters? We need to close that hole as a result of non enforcement)

Unity is all the measure we need to measure unity. If your work is outsourced, you are not unified.

Check Essential

04-08-2011 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 977447)

Cohen, weiss and Simon's problem (like many well fed firms fattened by the gravy of a big client who's rich & always in trouble) is that C,W&S practices ALPA Politics more than they practice law.

Truer words were never spoken.
Cohen, Weiss and Simon are part of the machine. Have been for decades.
They are NOT a reliable source for impartial unbiased legal advice.

Carl Spackler

04-08-2011 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 977472)

Truer words were never spoken.
Cohen, Weiss and Simon are part of the machine. Have been for decades.
They are NOT a reliable source for impartial unbiased legal advice.

Unless you're alfaromeo...then they are the gold standard. :rolleyes:

Carl

Columbia

04-08-2011 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 977472)

Truer words were never spoken.
Cohen, Weiss and Simon are part of the machine. Have been for decades.
They are NOT a reliable source for impartial unbiased legal advice.

Heard their slogan is "Why can't we all just get along?". :)

TenYearsGone

04-08-2011 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 977456)

Perhaps, instead of DPA ... dare I say, Teamsters?

At least they have this unity and unionization thing down cold. They fight to UNIFY their pilots while ALPA has fought to keep Delta pilots separate from 50% of Delta flying.

Just curious what others think. Not trying to get anything started.

Honestly,

DPA, Alpa, Teamsters, APA, SWAPA etc.... Its all the same shananigans. The truth of the matter is: these entities have gotten so BIG that money is the only way to survive, and Politics is the only way to make the money.

We need to go back to the basics of what the UNION was built on. (Safety, Job preservation and enhancement). Somehow, the basics have been forgotten.

Ten

tsquare

04-08-2011 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 977349)

T, I will defer to my more experienced and grizzled brethren. Your arguments are sound and have swayed my opinion.

Sorry Satch... I hope that did not come across as me saying that you were stupid for asking that question... If it did, that was not my intent and I apologize. I don't think that ACL has thought thru the unintended consequences..

tsquare

04-08-2011 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 977410)

Would that be the same most experienced, most respected labor attorneys in the country who lost ALPA's office building in the PanAm seniority lawsuit? The same ones who paid nearly a million bucks to the settle with the RJDC? The same ones who just lost mega-millions in the UAL notes lawsuit?

Cohen, Weiss and Simon along with all their former partners and offshoots are the beating heart of the dues consuming monster up there in Herndon. They bill us for tens of million$ every single year. They aren't going to do anything that might rock the boat. They are hopelessly entrenched in their mahogany paneled complacency.

Maybe we need a second opinion?

The United States government has just said that Republic is a single transportation system. Its worth a shot to see if maybe the System Board of Adjustment might agree.
If the ALPA lawyers refuse to take the case then we need to fire them and do a little outsourcing of our own.

That... is.... awesome.....

satchip

04-08-2011 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 977489)

No offense taken. I realize I'm still a rookie SMS what may seem reasonable and harmless to me may have broader implications. Thanks for your insight.

Btw, BOG still sucks.

tsquare

04-08-2011 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by satchip (Post 977497)

No offense taken. I realize I'm still a rookie SMS what may seem reasonable and harmless to me may have broader implications. Thanks for your insight.

Btw, BOG still sucks.

Don't you have better layovers there now? Go to Zona Rosa or Zona T... good restaurants, the beer's fine, and the sightseeing isn't that bad either. A cab from the Royal hotel should only be about $2... And if you ever get a reeeeeeally long layover, there are lots of neat places to go. Drop me a PM sometime if you have a 48 hour layover and Ill send you the gouge.

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