I agree with Check here. Everything always seems to be centered upon managing expectations downward and it'd easily work if it were not for that one testy thing none of us can ignore... to make the pay of the little jet you're going to need to fly overtime in the big jet: :eek:

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It's nice when the 800 lb gorilla in the room is willing to talk trash to make sure you hear them.

The simple truth is, either our company needs to admit they're not as good as Southwest Airlines, or our union needs to admit their not as good as the Southwest Airlines Pilot Association or we need to just admit we're not as good as Southwest pilots.

I think we might actually be making some very slow progress with you. You started out claiming that the DPA was really all about overturning our SLI, then claiming that it was a legally viable option. Now at least you're stating it is difficult to do. You're correct, because it's actually impossible IN OUR CASE. I agree that impossible is indeed pretty difficult.

Really? EXACTLY what our status is? US Airways and AWA are a combined airline now? I missed that.

You are completely wrong. Combined operations is the final point that makes our SLI unchangeable. Still looking for you to post any legal precedent or any legal mechanism that would allow ANY UNION to change the DAL/NWA seniority list integration. Call ALPA legal - maybe they can help you look.

No court agrees with you. Post the court that agrees with you.

Because the two operations are not combined. I know how badly this is ruining your propaganda, but truth is truth. Sorry.

Carl

If 50%+1 are for a better contract in 2012 with higher pay and stronger scope then we're not fractured even if some want to hire a different agent to get it done. The mission is not fractured.

The question is, if you want SWA scope (as in no DCI or AS) and pay at MD88 levels, which camp to you go to right now?

ALPA or DPA?

No federal judges or courts disagree with me. Please post ANY court ruling that allows for the SLI of a combined airline to be overturned. We're all waiting.

Then enlighten us Einstein. Tell us EXACTLY what about Section 20 could be negotiated. Whether DPA or ALPA or any union...what EXACTLY could be negotiated?

Addington doesn't apply. Nothing in USAir applies here anymore because we are a combined entity. Our SLI is now unchangeable. It is impossible.

Carl

Damn that's painful to hear...but true.

I'm off now for a very long ocean crossing, so have at it alfa/slow/reshiz, etc.

Carl

+1 ^^^^^^^^^^^ Great post ftb:eek:

Here this is what I want, new Section 1.C:

C. Scope
1. All flying performed by or for the Company or any affiliate will be performed by pilots on the Delta Air Lines pilot seniority list in accordance with the terms and conditions of this PWA.

2. Section 1 C. 1. includes without limitation all passenger flying, cargo flying, freight flying, positioning flights and ferry flights (scheduled and non-scheduled, revenue and non-revenue) and non-scheduled flights.

3. There will be no contracting or subcontracting of any Company flying to any other air carrier or performance of Company flying by pilots of any other air carrier.

And new Section 3:

1. SWA pay scales for the MD88 plus 15%, all other categories adjusted in proportion using current ratios in the current contract.

2. Exception, if 717 pay at SWA is equal to 737 pay then the DC9 will be SWA pay plus 15% and all other categories adjusted in proportion using current ratios in the current contract.

And new Section 29:

1. The Company and the Delta MEC will make every conceivable effort to find Newk. He has gone missing.
2. The definition of "every conceivable effort" will be determined by a vote of the Delta pilots.

^^^This is the crux of the issue. I think we are together in our goals. We differ in our opinions on the best way to get there.

3. 7 hours flight pay for every duty day..i.e. 3 day worth minimum 21 hours.

4. 1 vacation day worth 6 hours. 1 year pilot 31 days of vaction per year, by 12th year 72 days per year.

Like I said, talk to him. I really have no reason to lie about it. Just the facts.:)