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Old 02-13-2012 | 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Anyone else confused by SD's update? He actually made the Crew Resources letter even more undecipherable, but now he wants us to change our preferences based on 8 MD-90's in the summer of 2013?

Seems like trying to encourage early-outs to me.

Wouldn't it be simply astounding if such a program was announced very soon?
Sink,

I had the same thoughts. It seems to me they are trying to paint a rosy picture but there is little positive news. He paints it as an urgent need for pilots on the Douglas jets, and we think, "Oh, good, they need pilots.". But when he says "remove the surpluses," he is obviously talking displacements from high paying jets to lower paying jets. Look at that list - nearly all the widebodies have surpluses. So it looks to me like more of the same - backwards movement for everyone through this summer. Not to be a Debbie Downer on Monday morning!
Old 02-13-2012 | 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyZ
Sink,

I had the same thoughts. It seems to me they are trying to paint a rosy picture but there is little positive news. He paints it as an urgent need for pilots on the Douglas jets, and we think, "Oh, good, they need pilots.". But when he says "remove the surpluses," he is obviously talking displacements from high paying jets to lower paying jets. Look at that list - nearly all the widebodies have surpluses. So it looks to me like more of the same - backwards movement for everyone through this summer. Not to be a Debbie Downer on Monday morning!
He also skirted the question of where the MSP and MEM DC-9 flying was going - away or to DTW reference, JG comments in base meeting that they (remaining 29 DC9-50's) will stay to end of 2013?
Old 02-13-2012 | 05:20 AM
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PS hit today, however I didn't see a DC contribution. I thought it was supposed to be included.
Old 02-13-2012 | 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
PS hit today, however I didn't see a DC contribution. I thought it was supposed to be included.
You do get a DC contribution on your profit sharing. However, the contribution will show on your mid month regular paycheck pay stub, not on the profit sharing check pay stub.
Old 02-13-2012 | 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvJockey
Just...not...comfortable...here. I'll try.

My gift to the greater peace of ATL are all the things that fascinate Southwest and Delta pilots. If they just play this over the terminal monitors, we will all go happily about our business.

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Now that's how I like to start my week (first 27 seconds).
Old 02-13-2012 | 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
So I'll let you and Bar get together on whether or not 50 seat RJ's affect mainline flying, but I see that you still haven't wrapped your head around the numbers...mainline had slight net growth and DCI had signficant net shrinkage (meaning something was replaced). Type as slow as you want...those are from the OAG and 10-k.
Who flies the majority of Delta's domestic brand - Delta or DCI + Code Share?

Originally Posted by slowplay
As to the second point, I provided two quick examples. You came up with a different plan. I asked you to provide examples of where your plan worked. You didn't. I asked again. Throw out my examples, because you want to change things to do it your way. I asked you to show me how your way is better, as there has to be someplace in governance that you can use as an example...
Another great example of how our DALPA MEC bureaucrats operate and communicate. It's almost as if every day is all about: "How can we fool them today? How can we better obfuscate in our member communications?"

Slowplay's latest attempt at defending the indefensible is to ask for examples of other organizations that govern themselves differently than does DALPA. The answer of course is that most all corporations govern themselves far differently (and with greater transparency) than DALPA. Slowplay knows this too, so that left him with the need to portray the MEC committee structure and members as "middle managers" or "civil servants". Our MEC committees are the total power and influence within our union. They are equivalent to a corporation's executive leadership team. Nobody gets appointed to an executive leadership position without board approval. Very few board members get to be board members without being elected by the shareholders.

When comparing our union to a corporation, the LEC members are similar to a board of directors because they are elected by the members. Where our union differs is that our elected representatives (board members) DO NOT get to appoint the executive leadership team. They only get to appoint the individual chairmen. This is just one of the problems that has led to DALPA becoming a totally top-down organization that has utterly marginalized the LEC reps. This is what slowplay desperately hopes to hide from you.

Carl
Old 02-13-2012 | 06:38 AM
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When ALPA asks the pilots masses " do you want higher pay or profit sharing?" Can they also say "Do you want compensation taxed at 8% or compensation taxed at 25%." I hope everyone noticed the amount of FEDERAL TAXES that were taken out of yout compensation labeled as "profit sharing"
Old 02-13-2012 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
You do get a DC contribution on your profit sharing. However, the contribution will show on your mid month regular paycheck pay stub, not on the profit sharing check pay stub.
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Old 02-13-2012 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Who flies the majority of Delta's domestic brand - Delta or DCI + Code Share?
By what metric? Seats? Seat miles? block hours? Segments?
A majority of what?

(I would like to know the percentages also and I admit that I'm too lazy to do the research, but I want to know what the metric is being used, not just a cryptic "yes or no".)

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Another great example of how our DALPA MEC bureaucrats operate and communicate. It's almost as if every day is all about: "How can we fool them today? How can we better obfuscate in our member communications?"
Really? Feeling a little more extreme today than normal Carl?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Slowplay's latest attempt at defending the indefensible is to ask for examples of other organizations that govern themselves differently than does DALPA. The answer of course is that most all corporations govern themselves far differently (and with greater transparency) than DALPA. Slowplay knows this too, so that left him with the need to portray the MEC committee structure and members as "middle managers" or "civil servants". Our MEC committees are the total power and influence within our union. They are equivalent to a corporation's executive leadership team. Nobody gets appointed to an executive leadership position without board approval. Very few board members get to be board members without being elected by the shareholders.

When comparing our union to a corporation, the LEC members are similar to a board of directors because they are elected by the members. Where our union differs is that our elected representatives (board members) DO NOT get to appoint the executive leadership team. They only get to appoint the individual chairmen. This is just one of the problems that has led to DALPA becoming a totally top-down organization that has utterly marginalized the LEC reps. This is what slowplay desperately hopes to hide from you.

Carl
Let's try to separate fact from opinion on this one.

The Committee Chairs are not an ELT.

In my opinion, the 3 officers and the 2 EA's are, but not the entire Committee Chair complement.

I would submit that no one has produced an answer to slow's question yet, would some of the peeps here know how the other unions deemed to be "successful" (IPA, APA, SWAPA) operate their structure?

(I'm not saying that another union has done a better or worse job, just wanting to know the structure they use.)
Old 02-13-2012 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleSam
FTB,

This is not what I have been told by scheduling supervisors. I was #7 in order for a 4-day. Everyone ahead of me was assigned SC for the next day. A 4-day trip came up late in the day but was over 12 hr before sign-in. I got the trip because all the other pilots "had an assignment for the next day." Turns out that they should not use a pilot that has SC assigned unless there are no other LC pilots available in that grouping. So, yes scheduling can manipulate the trip assignments by using SC's.
Had a conversation with a scheduler about this (one that knew what he was talking about, after a long painful conversation with a clueless scheduler). This is what I gathered: What happens automatically is it will look forward to when the trip starts, and if a pilot is on short call it will not assign it to them. However, there are some schedulers (the daytime guys that have been there a long time and know what they are doing) that will see a guy who would be next in line for a trip has short call the next day, and they may choose to take the short call off of him so that the trip falls to him instead. Typically this is if that person has a 0 raw and hasn't flown. Spreads out the flying. Either way it is contractually allowed.
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