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Anyone else confused by SD's update? He actually made the Crew Resources letter even more undecipherable, but now he wants us to change our preferences based on 8 MD-90's in the summer of 2013?
Seems like trying to encourage early-outs to me.
Wouldn't it be simply astounding if such a program was announced very soon?
Seems like trying to encourage early-outs to me.
Wouldn't it be simply astounding if such a program was announced very soon?
I had the same thoughts. It seems to me they are trying to paint a rosy picture but there is little positive news. He paints it as an urgent need for pilots on the Douglas jets, and we think, "Oh, good, they need pilots.". But when he says "remove the surpluses," he is obviously talking displacements from high paying jets to lower paying jets. Look at that list - nearly all the widebodies have surpluses. So it looks to me like more of the same - backwards movement for everyone through this summer. Not to be a Debbie Downer on Monday morning!
Sink,
I had the same thoughts. It seems to me they are trying to paint a rosy picture but there is little positive news. He paints it as an urgent need for pilots on the Douglas jets, and we think, "Oh, good, they need pilots.". But when he says "remove the surpluses," he is obviously talking displacements from high paying jets to lower paying jets. Look at that list - nearly all the widebodies have surpluses. So it looks to me like more of the same - backwards movement for everyone through this summer. Not to be a Debbie Downer on Monday morning!
I had the same thoughts. It seems to me they are trying to paint a rosy picture but there is little positive news. He paints it as an urgent need for pilots on the Douglas jets, and we think, "Oh, good, they need pilots.". But when he says "remove the surpluses," he is obviously talking displacements from high paying jets to lower paying jets. Look at that list - nearly all the widebodies have surpluses. So it looks to me like more of the same - backwards movement for everyone through this summer. Not to be a Debbie Downer on Monday morning!

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PS hit today, however I didn't see a DC contribution. I thought it was supposed to be included.
You do get a DC contribution on your profit sharing. However, the contribution will show on your mid month regular paycheck pay stub, not on the profit sharing check pay stub.
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Just...not...comfortable...here. I'll try.
My gift to the greater peace of ATL are all the things that fascinate Southwest and Delta pilots. If they just play this over the terminal monitors, we will all go happily about our business.
SWA and Delta Pilot Fetishes
My gift to the greater peace of ATL are all the things that fascinate Southwest and Delta pilots. If they just play this over the terminal monitors, we will all go happily about our business.
SWA and Delta Pilot Fetishes
So I'll let you and Bar get together on whether or not 50 seat RJ's affect mainline flying, but I see that you still haven't wrapped your head around the numbers...mainline had slight net growth and DCI had signficant net shrinkage (meaning something was replaced). Type as slow as you want...those are from the OAG and 10-k.
As to the second point, I provided two quick examples. You came up with a different plan. I asked you to provide examples of where your plan worked. You didn't. I asked again. Throw out my examples, because you want to change things to do it your way. I asked you to show me how your way is better, as there has to be someplace in governance that you can use as an example...
Slowplay's latest attempt at defending the indefensible is to ask for examples of other organizations that govern themselves differently than does DALPA. The answer of course is that most all corporations govern themselves far differently (and with greater transparency) than DALPA. Slowplay knows this too, so that left him with the need to portray the MEC committee structure and members as "middle managers" or "civil servants". Our MEC committees are the total power and influence within our union. They are equivalent to a corporation's executive leadership team. Nobody gets appointed to an executive leadership position without board approval. Very few board members get to be board members without being elected by the shareholders.
When comparing our union to a corporation, the LEC members are similar to a board of directors because they are elected by the members. Where our union differs is that our elected representatives (board members) DO NOT get to appoint the executive leadership team. They only get to appoint the individual chairmen. This is just one of the problems that has led to DALPA becoming a totally top-down organization that has utterly marginalized the LEC reps. This is what slowplay desperately hopes to hide from you.
Carl
When ALPA asks the pilots masses " do you want higher pay or profit sharing?" Can they also say "Do you want compensation taxed at 8% or compensation taxed at 25%." I hope everyone noticed the amount of FEDERAL TAXES that were taken out of yout compensation labeled as "profit sharing"
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"The government do take a bite, don't she." (I wonder if they are partying in Herndon today.)
A majority of what?
(I would like to know the percentages also and I admit that I'm too lazy to do the research, but I want to know what the metric is being used, not just a cryptic "yes or no".)
Slowplay's latest attempt at defending the indefensible is to ask for examples of other organizations that govern themselves differently than does DALPA. The answer of course is that most all corporations govern themselves far differently (and with greater transparency) than DALPA. Slowplay knows this too, so that left him with the need to portray the MEC committee structure and members as "middle managers" or "civil servants". Our MEC committees are the total power and influence within our union. They are equivalent to a corporation's executive leadership team. Nobody gets appointed to an executive leadership position without board approval. Very few board members get to be board members without being elected by the shareholders.
When comparing our union to a corporation, the LEC members are similar to a board of directors because they are elected by the members. Where our union differs is that our elected representatives (board members) DO NOT get to appoint the executive leadership team. They only get to appoint the individual chairmen. This is just one of the problems that has led to DALPA becoming a totally top-down organization that has utterly marginalized the LEC reps. This is what slowplay desperately hopes to hide from you.
Carl
When comparing our union to a corporation, the LEC members are similar to a board of directors because they are elected by the members. Where our union differs is that our elected representatives (board members) DO NOT get to appoint the executive leadership team. They only get to appoint the individual chairmen. This is just one of the problems that has led to DALPA becoming a totally top-down organization that has utterly marginalized the LEC reps. This is what slowplay desperately hopes to hide from you.
Carl
The Committee Chairs are not an ELT.
In my opinion, the 3 officers and the 2 EA's are, but not the entire Committee Chair complement.
I would submit that no one has produced an answer to slow's question yet, would some of the peeps here know how the other unions deemed to be "successful" (IPA, APA, SWAPA) operate their structure?
(I'm not saying that another union has done a better or worse job, just wanting to know the structure they use.)
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FTB,
This is not what I have been told by scheduling supervisors. I was #7 in order for a 4-day. Everyone ahead of me was assigned SC for the next day. A 4-day trip came up late in the day but was over 12 hr before sign-in. I got the trip because all the other pilots "had an assignment for the next day." Turns out that they should not use a pilot that has SC assigned unless there are no other LC pilots available in that grouping. So, yes scheduling can manipulate the trip assignments by using SC's.
This is not what I have been told by scheduling supervisors. I was #7 in order for a 4-day. Everyone ahead of me was assigned SC for the next day. A 4-day trip came up late in the day but was over 12 hr before sign-in. I got the trip because all the other pilots "had an assignment for the next day." Turns out that they should not use a pilot that has SC assigned unless there are no other LC pilots available in that grouping. So, yes scheduling can manipulate the trip assignments by using SC's.

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