Exactamundo!

Carl

History may provide some guidance. We've been there and done that regarding the allowable number of 76 seaters.

Has management ever admitted to being out of compliance with the JV? Nope.
They're likely to just claim we are wrong and they are in compliance.

Then we file a secret grievance. There's argument over which statistics to use, what flights to include, the time frame, and some technicalities in the language and then the Master Chairman "constructively engages" and .... uh oh.

We reset the balance just this once and they pinky-swear to accept ALPA's interpretation from now on.

That's an interesting thesis, but I don't think it will. SWA management simply doesn't understand the idea of outsourcing your product to a higher cost per ASM airline, while that airline tarnishes your brand with poor service. I don't understand that "concept" either. But DAL management is a true believer...despite what the numbers show.

We'll see. But I would rather my company stagnate and my seniority list stagnate, rather than have my company "grow" while my seniority list shrinks. I simply don't buy the management/DALPA talking point that if our company grows (even if it's due to outsourcing), then somehow advantages will trickle down to the pilots. It's BS. SWA is proof of that.

I would if we were tallking about DPA, but we're not. In my view, we're discussing the single most important issue facing any Delta pilot who has curiosity on what is the latest and greatest.

Carl

OUCH! That's a painful reminder of recent history.

Carl

If memory serves, last year was 6.52%. Higher pre-tax income resulted in more profit sharing.

funny stuff, huh?

Is it the part where I admit to offering my opinion while you constantly and frequently spout opinions disguised as facts? I'm not sure you and I have the same sense of humor.:rolleyes:

Btw still havent heard how the "independent unions"(an oxymoron, but I digress) out there function, or any one offering to answer the original question posed by slow.

Talk about obfuscating...:eek:

Southwest now codeshares with Volaris Airlines. You can go MDW-STL-MEX, & the STL-MEX is on Volaris. The outsourcing at SWA has begun. Gary Kelly has consistently said that costs need to decrease. The whole 'Bags fly free' thing is costing a lot of money, & the shareholders are starting to notice. You can bet he's not ready to hand out raises, especially since he just acquired a LOT more payroll with the acquisition of AirTran.

First of all, not answering a question is not obfuscation. Look up the definition if you need to.

Second, the original question posted by slowplay was based on an utterly false premise. He attempted to characterize the MEC committes as "middle managers" or "civil servants'. Since this is blatantly incorrect, the rhetorical question he asked is unanswerable...but of course he knew that when he framed the question.

Carl

If you were a 4 year 727 FO in '95 you were extremely lucky. There were 602 that you were just senior to that got an extended vacation, and another 400 or so that got to play "rent an engineer" for a few years. There were 8944 names on the system seniority list, but about 1500 weren't active due to furlough, LTD and leaves (MLOA, PLOA). The fleet was 543 aircraft (not all in service, as the A-310's were being returned). We had 134 727's and 56 L-1011's that were 3 man crewed.

Interesting trip down memory lane.

This is only because it's an international destination. And as you well know, our scope also allows this type of stuff. Domestically, it cannot happen at SWA.

Again, only internationally. And my bet is that those codeshares will go away as SWA is able to get its own route authority to the international destinations they desire.

Exactly. That's why they're against outsourcing, because there's no model where it shows to lower costs. Our management doesn't care about the extra costs associated with outsourcing. It's a religion to them, and as such, is not a debatable topic.

Don't know what that has to do with outsourcing your product to a higher cost and lower quality provider. Especially since the acquisition of AirTran is corporate growth through merger...instead of corporate growth through outsourcing.

Carl