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TED74 05-10-2016 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 2126068)
Delta doesn't have to contribute to the 401k of military guys who are away from the job to work their military job, do they? Nor do they have to pay them a PS check, right? They do this to be nice? To be patriotic?

As a former military guy I don't see why they do that. It would seem to be an item one could put in the "pro" column for reasons to go back to do mil flying while holding a seniority number.

If the company doesn't like guard/reserve guys leaving after indoc/training they should take the either the 401k or the PS away since they're not working for it.

Any chance that as a former military guy, you're just sore it didn't happen for you? I think it's a nice way to say thanks...not a bad ladder to put down for those behind you even if you had to scale a wall without one.

More MLOAers than not are doing things worthy of appreciation and Delta in this case is doing something I personally support. My hunch is that these 401K and PS contributions are drops in the bucket compared to other money they are "wasting"...certainly it's more honorable than enriching their stock holdings' value with buybacks in the Billions.

TED74 05-10-2016 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2126079)
How does the company calculate a 15% DC/401K payment and profit sharing payout to a guy on mil leave, drawing zero pay?

When I was activated for Gulf War 1, Delta didn't know me until I got back, and when I did, they took away a couple weeks of vacation, because, "You didn't earn them...":rolleyes:

Calculated based on the ALV of the category you held before starting MLOA.

WhatNow 05-10-2016 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by GunshipGuy (Post 2126068)
Delta doesn't have to contribute to the 401k of military guys who are away from the job to work their military job, do they? Nor do they have to pay them a PS check, right? They do this to be nice? To be patriotic?

As a former military guy I don't see why they do that. It would seem to be an item one could put in the "pro" column for reasons to go back to do mil flying while holding a seniority number.

If the company doesn't like guard/reserve guys leaving after indoc/training they should take the either the 401k or the PS away since they're not working for it.

It's required by law for retirement. Not sure on PS.

Xray678 05-10-2016 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by palooza (Post 2126066)
And begin discriminating based on military service? Nope.

No company can, or should, continue to hire people who won't show up to work.

BobZ 05-10-2016 07:43 AM

im wondering how many military pilots 25-30 years ago who based the decision to not affiliate with the reserves because after all....they had a 60% fae pension waiting at age 60 from delta.....would make the same decision knowing what they know now?

I stumbled into it....needing a second job to just survive on the B-scale....ended up getting a retirement out of it.....damn lucky and glad given what has happened. What was going to be beer money....will probably end up paying the rent.

Timbo 05-10-2016 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2126104)
Calculated based on the ALV of the category you held before starting MLOA.

Is that required by law?

GivemeVSP 05-10-2016 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2126129)
Is that required by law?

Yes. If it weren't, I gurantee you the company wouldn't be pay it.

Thank God the law is protecting us from negotiating with ourselves right now...ironic???

Timbo 05-10-2016 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by GivemeVSP (Post 2126137)
Yes. If it weren't, I gurantee you the company wouldn't be pay it.

Thank God the law is protecting us from negotiating with ourselves right now...ironic???

Yeah, ironic isn't it? Also FAR117 is protecting us more than our contract is when it comes to flying too much! :rolleyes:

TED74 05-10-2016 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2126115)
No company can, or should, continue to hire people who won't show up to work.

You could probably email Personnel at Delta and tell them you are willing to volunteer in HR so they have a "go-to-guy" who is willing to illegally discriminate based on the military status of a job applicant.

You should also write your congressmen and senators and ask them to rewrite USERRA law, circa 1994 so everyone else could legally discriminate as you'd like to.

They are also good people to advise on your wish to expand the active duty force significantly to account for all the work the reserve components won't be able to accomplish without the relief USERRA.

Note that active duty personnel tend to be a great deal more expensive than their reserve counterparts, so include some verbiage that you'd like to pay higher federal taxes too.

TED74 05-10-2016 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Xray678 (Post 2126115)
No company can, or should, continue to hire people who won't show up to work.

These guys weren't scheduled to show up to work for 6 months. Turns out, they'll never be back.

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