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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1899193)

With all due respect there is a lot more to this than you know. I would explain it, but I'm no expert. This is not nearly as good as you are describing.

Fair enough. I'm just passing along what I'm witnessing at the meeting for those that couldn't make it. Since you have better information than John Morgado, please share.

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Originally Posted by like2fly2 (Post 1899181)

I'm thinking those in their last three years will vote yes for the instant raise and anyone in the bottom 20% will vote yes for the new airplanes. If that were to hold true, the swing votes are middle seniority pilots who don't care about RJ's at mainline and are not under any time pressure when it comes to rates. This group of pilots is also the group that will be affected most by the change to OE trips.

Anyone agree?

Guys at the bottom aren't going to be there for more than 4 years, so I don't think they take the bait. For someone who has perhaps 25-35 years left in the industry, this is a depressing look at what's likely the best it would ever be!

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1899166)

I don't fully understand the switch to block hours from EASK but the new compliance periods are a big improvement.

The conversion from EASK to Block hours amounts to a 20% plus reduction for Delta pilots from previous block-hour levels.

The new compliance period is an improvement.

Cheers
George

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1899166)

How should I feel? I have made no comments about the TA other then ask for specifics on rumors posted. My first look is that we will gain jobs on the work rule side. I don't like the payrates but if you end up with the NMB they are at the top of the industry.
Many of the rumors posted here did not come to pass. No pay banding, no third party sick verification, no reduction in sick hours, no increase in training freeze except in base moves by a new hire.

There are a bunch of quality of life improvements and many areas of past complaints have been addressed. In total those items have significant value.
There are negatives. The obvious is the potential 5.7% reduction in profit sharing if PTEX is above 6 billion. This year will however be only the second time in history that has happened. The sick verification requirement change I don't like. I can live with the RJ changes given its a net reduction and the 2 for 1 gain at the mainline. I don't fully understand the switch to block hours from EASK but the new compliance periods are a big improvement.
Overall I don't like the payrates but can live with the rest. I had to vote today I would vote no because of the payrates. I will attend the road shows and read what I can. I need to see the costed values in all the work rule changes. We will all get one vote. I suspect this will be a very close vote.

Um...what are all those QOL improvements?

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1899180)

Yeah, know why? Because if it's not a "Hub" then Delta can run many more codeshare flights into/out of there.

How in the HECK can they say, with a straight face, that SEA is not a Hub, when Richard has said in many public interviews that SEA IS OUR NEW PACIFIC HUB!!??

Laymen guess but we already have a contract with Alaska, they can't agree to change the PWA afterwards to negate the first probably without a penalty.

That's just a guess.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1899191)

Since the reps have been heavily involved and guiding the process since day one I doubt they are outraged. It is their product and will I suspect be ratified by the MEC. Pilot ratification I am less sure about.

The insiders blindsided the yes voting reps. They may vote yes, but they all hate this deal. It's embarrassing.

It's worse than C2012.

8,0,3,3 add inflation 6,0,1,1.

At least we reduced our medical premiums and Deductables to non bankruptcy levels.

Not.

C2015 is not even a single, it's a bunt.

Now is the time to call email or text your reps let them know any concessions are unacceptable!!!

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Originally Posted by like2fly2 (Post 1899181)

anyone in the bottom 20% will vote yes for the new airplanes.

How does this help anyone already on property? I'm in the bottom 3% and I don't see how this should affect my vote. If anything, won't this bring more pilots on property, which seems (to me) to be a good thing?

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Originally Posted by Ray Red (Post 1899186)

Are hotels going to be paid for during the entire new hire training process?

No. No surprise here, though I had hoped otherwise.