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This little goodie will cost us in the neighborhood of 1% of W-2

Like the change to block hours for international scope, the insiders toss out these incredible concessions with no explanation of the cost to our pilots.

Disgusting.

forgot to bid

06-09-2015 07:20 AM

Scoop, can you merge threads again?

sailingfun

06-09-2015 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by georgetg (Post 1899198)

The conversion from EASK to Block hours amounts to a 20% plus reduction for Delta pilots from previous block-hour levels.

The new compliance period is an improvement.

Cheers
George

How exactly can that be. I thought we were running 55% of the block hours at a EASK of 47%. It turns out we were running about 52%. With the increase to 50% I see nothing like a 20% decrease. If you are correct I will vote no.

Timbo

06-09-2015 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1899213)

That's my question, we're a small WB airline and the JV partners seem to be a super premium WB airlines. My understanding was that's fine, 1 of theirs crossing the ocean is 2 planes for our pilots and a win.

Now, a A380 crossing = 752 crossing? Seems like we'd lose a huge amount of flying, or as george says, 20%. I go with George.

Obviously we lose when you switch from Seat Miles to Block Hours, because as you point out, we have 'smaller' international jets. With the Seat Mile metric, Delta has to fly MORE (2X) air frames across the pond to break even with our JV partners 747's, A380's and 777-300's. With the Block Hour metric, all they have to do is put one 757 'match' an A380 or 777 JV flight.

Epic FAIL in JV Scope! :rolleyes:

Herkflyr

06-09-2015 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Flying Elvis (Post 1899205)

No. No surprise here, though I had hoped otherwise.

Th company can pay for hotels for new hires any time they like. They don't need the PWA to do it. The fact that they don't says a lot.

rube	06-09-2015 07:23 AM

If they don't let us vote on this, the gloves come off.

No one who is opposed to sending this to memrat has an actual plan to make more money.

Let the pilots decide.

gzsg	06-09-2015 07:23 AM

With the elimination of some DCI scope language, it looks like the DCI can now fly hub to hub?

Timbo

06-09-2015 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1899226)

With the elimination of some DCI scope language, it looks like the DCI can now fly hub to hub?

And remember, SEA is NOT a Hub! :rolleyes:

SharpestTool

06-09-2015 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by p3flteng (Post 1899182)

Its a concessionary contract, no matter how you look at it.

Concessionary is when you give money to the company. This will cost out to be in the vicinity on 1 million dollars a day of additional money in the pilots pocket.

You may not think that is enough. Fine. But concessionary? Please.

forgot to bid

06-09-2015 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rube (Post 1899225)

If they don't let us vote on this, the gloves come off.

No one who is opposed to sending this to memrat has an actual plan to make more money.

Let the pilots decide.

So you're a yes because it's got Section 3 pay raises and that's all that matters? None of the other stuff matters? OE bidding? PS? Scope? None of it?

If DALPA puts it out to memory rat then they're saying vote for it. That alone guarantees a pass.

And how do we know the other members of the MEC don't have a better plan?

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