You will notice the DALPA sales team have colluded on some talking points early on (with many more to come I am sure). Taken from the public MEC webpage...

"Don't jump to conclusions. My personal opinion--as this is the final, max from the company, this should go to all pilots for our vote! It's OUR union, we should get our say!"

- Jan Donatelli

I think we need to look at the full language and have our say. I hated C12 at first and now looking back I realize how profitable it's been for the Delta Pilots.

- Brian Shinnick

It's easy to pick one or two issues that are "no" worthy, but there has to be a path forward and not just no. If the mec votes not to pass the ta forward then you abrogate your ability to have a democratic say into the outcome that affects 12,700 or so pilots. You concede to 10 mec members the inability to memrat, which, by the way, naysayers including dpa supporters, that memrat is paramount to ANY deal. So, in this case you don't, all others you do.

- John White

So it's only democratic if it goes to memrat. It's clear the majority want this sent back. As with the survey, the desires of the pilots are falling on deaf ears....again.

Another bogus play is stating pay rates combining hourly pay, profit sharing and DC against other airlines hourly pay but leaving out the fact AA or Fedex have a pension (for example) and what those numbers (combing the value of 60% FAE with hourly) would be worth. This is the kind of manipulative BS that makes the union lose credibility. They twist the info to sell. It's dishonest and a dirtbag way to operate. Do none of these guys feel any shame?

Here's an exchange between one of the company/union yesman and a line pilot who exposes some flawed logic.

Line Pilot: "My seat (88 Capt) still won't exceed the pay rate I had on the same seat in 2004 until 2017. No amount of evaluation of the language can change that simple fact. My NO vote is already planned. Send this back and get something real."

DALPA sales guy: $317 an hour in 2016 if you include profit sharing and DC contributions

Line Pilot: The hourly pay for 88 Capt in 2004 was $237. In 2016 it will be $236.62. It will not exceed that rate til 2017. PS is not guaranteed & DC is not current income. Let's compare apples to apples. Also in 2004 I was promised 60% FAE, a darn sight more than any DC or PS promise.

Does this manipulative sale job make anybody angry? It should. Eject the guys pulling this nonsense from ever doing union work regardless of what union survives.

Not only that, but they will hurry and order 50 190's so they can add 25 more large RJ's at DCI. Then when they park 50 M-88's, DCI still has all the large RJ's.

Add in the EASK to block hour change and we see Delta pilot jobs being pushed to the smaller low paying airframes while every other JV partner adds more international JV flying which will be allowed if we go to a block hour measurement. We may all be Delta Captains for 20 years here, but 17 of those will be in small narrowbody airframes parked next to AF and Virgin 777's and 380's.

Build virtual bases where they can eliminate DH pay and not staff it like a real base...nor would they pay folks to move?

Yes, but the language doesn't allow for a first leg ocean crossing. So mco gru is out.

From what I understand the E190 is for the west coast to replace the 717s and maybe do dtw flying. Maybe replace the 717 there too. The 717s will come back east maybe to do the shuttle flying in full or replace some 88 flying. The E190 is supposedly not for ATL.

The 88s retirement is now a topic of management discussion. You could probably replace its flying with a mix of 90s, 320s, 319s, 717s, 737s and even double CRJ900s.

That's what I was told.

I don't know anything but even talking about 195's as replacement aircraft is kind of silly. This management team is smarter than to eject 50-60 seats that are current filled to the brim on most routes.

Down gauging the 88's would be colossally stupid. I doubt that is a long range plan. The 319/20 is a legit replacement.

This TA is a complete fail. We got a nickel of per diem and 15 minutes of vacation. Management got everything they wanted and more.

The insiders delivered us once again on the exact minute management wanted the deal done. This is the worst piece of negotiating in ALPA history. And history will reflect that.

MCO-GRU would not be an ocean crossing. Hell, NRT-SIN isn't an ocean crossing.

That is ALL conjecture.

GZSG,

Missed you buddy.

I think that is your opinion. And as your opinion is valid.

The reality is that at least in pay this TA does a few things:

• DOS puts us at or above AA rates.
• Amendable date puts all rates above C2K rates. Well above AA.
• Pays out more to pilots regardless of where company profits land. There is still no cap in profit sharing.
• if ratified, the TA will have raised our rates 81.8% since 2008

Those are just facts. You may not like them. Just putting them out there for you and others.