Bender,

Please read the contractual definition of an ocean crossing. MCO-GRU would indeed be an ocean crossing, as is ATL-GRU, DTW-GRU, etc.

Thanks. This provision sounds like a great deal for a commuters, while it doesn't help those in-base I'm not sure how it hurts them either. When I was hired here my biggest negative was I didn't like any of the domiciles. Now that I'm acclimated to the job my only real stress is getting to and from work. If I'm reading correctly, this lets me be home domiciled and work at any minibase that has my jet which my seniority would allow me to hold. DH would be better, but I'll take PS over the ridiculous 12:00:00.00001 phone call required to get a JS to/from ATL (which is of course physically impossible when you have to do both).

For me this alone isn't enough for a yes vote, but it would ease the sting a little if it manages to pass.

Sorry to edit after I've been quoted but one thing I thought of... Might not be the greatest thing for commuters not in the minibase since there is probably a good chance they wouldn't be able to PS from a non-domicile city into the minibase anyway. I guess it would depend on the details of how they would do the PS but my guess is it wouldn't be much of an improvement for me personally.

Anybody know where the 96 page slide presentation is? Stupid windows downloaded an update and dumped all my downloaded PDFs.

Disregard. found it.

Ya got to be able to hold it though. Personally I think it should go by who is geographically the closest to said virtual base, but that's just me. And if you call for a JS at that 12:00:00.00001, you're late. ;)

The underlined parts are my emphasis items...and I say to that "puhleeze!"

For YEARS guys have clamored for more DC contributions, and this very message boards has literally hundreds--if not thousands--of posts urging no reduction in PS...until it inconveniences the argument. Now all of a sudden it is "let's compare apples to apples."

Ok, let's do just that...such as the C2K and AA "apples" in which there was/is zero profit sharing. Yes, that apple?

By the way I can't see voting for this TA with the new block-hour metric for JV issues, and for just taking away biddable trips for F/Os, and the magnitude of raising the 20% PS threshold...but I cannot stand hypocrisy, and that post is reeking of it.

This contract will raise our guaranteed pay rates 21.5% and if your projections for profit are accurate we will still get an additional 30% of W-2 in profit sharing even after trading some profit sharing for pay rates.

That 21.5% is in 2018. Just to be fair. Of the 14% THIS year, 5% of that is from the PS reduction. (I rounded down) The way I figure it, we are only getting an 8% pay increase this year, and the 21% pay increase in 2018 is similarly tainted but I have not run the numbers on it yet. I don't think I really need to do so.

JV Scope
 

Can someone please explain how the upper end scope works under the TA.

Specifically answer this question: would the language in the TA create more international flying, require less international flying, or would current international flying remain the same for DELTA pilots?

I am having a hard time completely understanding how this would work.

Thanks,
UA

AA has a pension though?

And I'm certain there is no money left on the table....I mean, we are nearly in bankruptcy again, right? We must be getting close, how else can they explain all the concessions and low pay rates?

So in 2018, 14 years after 2004, and after returning Billions of our concessions and lost retirement plans to the Shareholder, we finally match those actual pay rates, but minus 14 years of inflation reduced buying power, oh, and with no DB type funding to our DC plan either.

If this is the Best They Could Do, in these times, well, it's sad, just sad. They never once mentioned the Restoration word. Never kept track of how many Billions we contributed to Delta's record earnings, never cranked up the Family Awareness Network to get the pilots involved and educated and motivated to not settle for this kind of a weak, substandard, non-restorative T/A.

There is no doubt in my mind this is the best T/A this MEC will ever produce, because they are scared to death of Richard and unwilling, or just too lazy, to motivate the pilots to stand up and restore the profession.

And now we know exactly what that rocking chair was for....