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Professor 06-10-2015 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1900573)
That's highly disengenuous. It will affect every single FO below those who take the top quarter of LCA trips.

No one below that will be awarded what they could hold based on their seniority.

You never answered my question. Are you on FPL today?

I absolutely did. I answered it yesterday. And am.

I hope I expanded on that question(LCA ?) enough for you above.

Professor 06-10-2015 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1900575)
Ok Professor, I'm not one to say this but.........direct impact? Really!?! You are only going to give credit for the first level? That's a fail and comes across to me as a sales pitch. It affects a tremendous amount more than 180 people.

Denny

Dude, I can only give you the numbers that are calculated vis a vis pilots bidding for LCA trips and what 75% of those effected will be.

Beyond that we can all guess what might happen. Hopefully I gave enough additional information on the question of number of lines it would reduce in a category affected?

Let me know if I can ask anything else.

Denny Crane 06-10-2015 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1900573)
That's highly disengenuous. It will affect every single FO below those who take the top quarter of LCA trips.
Those below that cutoff would not be assured they could hold what they bid based on their seniority.

You never answered my question. Are you on FPL today?

Yes, to his credit, he did answer it yesterday. I have nothing against it.

Denny

Purple Drank 06-10-2015 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900576)
I absolutely did. I answered it yesterday. And am.

Copy that.

You are being paid our dues money to sell us a deal we don't want, a rushed **** sandwich that does not reflect our wishes.

You are being paid our dues money to post on APC.

I never thought I'd say this. But I'm renewing my DPA card today.

Howgozit 06-10-2015 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900577)
Dude, I can only give you the numbers that are calculated vis a vis pilots bidding for LCA trips and what 75% of those effected will be.

Beyond that we can all guess what might happen. Hopefully I gave enough additional information on the question of number of lines it would reduce in a category affected?

Let me know if I can ask anything else.

No, you did not. I am guessing for every linecheck guy = loss of 1 F.O. line per month. How many line check guys do we have?

Professor 06-10-2015 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1900580)
Copy that.

You are being paid our dues money to sell us a deal we don't want, a rushed **** sandwich that does not reflect our wishes.

I never thought I'd say this. But I'm renewing my DPA card today.

I am sorry you feel that way PD.

I think I am presenting the facts as they are and nothing more. If I am not, I'll try harder to answer questions as best I can.

Professor 06-10-2015 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by Howgozit (Post 1900585)
No, you did not. I am guessing for every linecheck guy = loss of 1 F.O. line per month. How many line check guys do we have?

Let me try again.

The numbers are that 250 first officers bid each month with LCA's.
Right now.

I am not privy to what the number of lines impacted would be.

There is an expected loss of about 2% of lines in effected categories.

That is all I got.

NERD 06-10-2015 08:44 AM

And as the retirements pick up, that number will at minimum double.





Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900589)
Let me try again.

The numbers are that 250 first officers bid each month with LCA's.
Right now.

I am not privy to what the number of lines impacted would be.

There is an expected loss of about 2% of lines in effected categories.

That is all I got.


Denny Crane 06-10-2015 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900577)
Dude, I can only give you the numbers that are calculated vis a vis pilots bidding for LCA trips and what 75% of those effected will be.

Beyond that we can all guess what might happen. Hopefully I gave enough additional information on the question of number of lines it would reduce in a category affected?

Let me know if I can ask anything else.

That's the problem. Their calculations of the number of pilots affected is WRONG! That's where the disconnect comes from. How many LCA's are there system wide? The 180 number tells me the answer to my question is 240 (I'd be curious to know if I'm correct or what the real number actually is). Sooooo they are only giving credit to the first level of affected guys. That's a fail for me.

All that being said, thank you for being there and passing along information!:)

Denny

Quint 06-10-2015 08:44 AM

As retirements increase, training and OEs will be rampant in all categories. ALL of them. IT may have a larger affect right now on new hire categories, and will probably always affect those categories to a greater degree. Going forward, especially past 2018 it will spread to all categories, and it will stay that way for some time.

I'm sure that's why it was on the companies hit list.

I can tell you that our current system is one of the best if not the best I've heard of. I can also tell you that if this stays in the TA as it is, it becomes one of the worst.

Far worse than AA's. The slide that the MEC put up saying that 100% of their LCA trips are pulled is patently FALSE.


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