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Are you saying we can keep the C2012 work rules, JV language, sick leave, LOE drops AND get Profit Sharing plus hourly rate increases tied to American and United indefinitely? Why on earth would I vote for a concession in ANY area of the contract if I can just keep what I have. Wouldn't I be better off keeping C2012 + Profit Sharing indefinitely with hourly rates tied to American and United forever? I can't come up with ANY reason to vote for this.

If you were getting FPL, you would understand why this is such a great deal.

(That was snarky. But, they deserve it.)

forgot to bid

06-12-2015 02:11 PM

More questions added, keep them coming:

APCF FAQ ABOUT TA 2015

Flamer

06-12-2015 02:11 PM

What are the positions of the three guys who's names appear at the bottom of the latest compensation negotiators notepad? Please don't tell me they are unelected ALPA pilots.

They are selling this like it's their baby.

Denny Crane

06-12-2015 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1903218)

Why hasn't your plan worked out for the other companies? SWA has profit sharing and a strike committee. I know FedEx has a strike committee. I don't know about UPS.

btw, 8% is the early raise. Net increases in the agreement are over $1.1B according to the negotiators.

And how much will Delta make in this quarter? Oh that's right, we don't KNOW because the vote is now BEFORE the announcement. I'll bet you $50 payable to the DPCF that the Company will more than pay for the ENTIRE length of this contract with the earnings report! You up for it?:)

Denny

slowplay

06-12-2015 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1903296)

Well I wasn't one of them and I voted for C2012. This current TA is not even close to what we should be getting.

You are absolutely right. We deserve a heck of a lot more.

So do FedEx. UPS. SWAPA. UAL. APA.

Why haven't they gotten it? Why are we the first group to exceed our C2K pay 12 years later?

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1903296)

You probably have the figures for a couple of questions: What percentage raise did we get from C1996 to C2001? What was the percentage difference between C2001 and our closest competitor? I don't know the answers and would like to....

Denny

Denny, I don't have those numbers handy. IIRC '96 was a 2% cut and added profit sharing. In 1998 we converted 6% profit sharing to pay. We then got the 737-800 payrate, and followed that with the B777 and B767-400 "Delta dot." C2K wound up being UAL plus 1%. They lost that when they went into bankruptcy in 2002. We kept the rates until LOA-46 in November, 2004.

notEnuf

06-12-2015 02:27 PM

No one seems to mention Flight Ops was 4% over budget last year and that didn't hurt the profit at all. 4% is $127.2 million, or as wall street sees it a rounding error and insignificant.

jdborg

06-12-2015 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 4fans (Post 1903289)

Yeah, a pretty compelling argument to say no.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1902706)

Under the Railway Labor Act, our contracts do not 'expire', they become 'amendable'.

So once we pass by the Amendable Date (Jan. 1, 2016) we continue to operate under today's contract, WITH PROFIT SHARING UNTOUCHED, with 100% of trips dropped for IOE for F/O's, with no BS third party Sick Leave Verification, or any of the many other concessions in this T/A.

This needs to be repeated on every page on this board. There are many pilots that don't understand this.

Denny Crane

06-12-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MtEverest (Post 1903276)

It's this kind of shiat why alpa needs to go. I never thought I would say this, ever, but it's time. Tomorrow morning I will send in a card to ask for a vote for different representation. There comes a point in time where you current provider has just screwed the pooch too many times.

Here is my take. For this contract, I think it is too late to change horses in mid stream. That being said, if this TA passes and becomes our contract, I will fill out a DPA card and send it in. It's sad to me. Never in a million years thought I would say that....:(

Denny

Carl Spackler

06-12-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotc90a (Post 1903105)

Consider these two point:

1) Will ALPA continue to fight the ME3 Carriers without Delta?

I think the answer is yes

2) Will DPA join in the fight against the ME 3 carriers?

Most likely

If this TA passes, the ME3 will be the least of your worries. This TA scopes away jobs on both top and bottom.

Carl

1900 Hundo

06-12-2015 02:38 PM

Long time lurker. Ummm, isn't the below pretty much the same situation as the Norwegian Air issue a few months back that ALPA fought to stop. Using foreign underpaid pilots to fly for them in their brand? So, I'm a little confused by their actions, waste a bunch of PAC money to stop them from doing it, just to turn around and do the same. Nail in the coffin for careers of young Delta new hires.

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Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 1903223)

1. E. 9.
Because it bares repeating. And will go unnoticed.

9. Except as approved by the Delta MEC Chairman, or as otherwise provided by Section 1 E., a carrier engaged in international partner flying will maintain a separate operating and corporate identity from the Company including, but not limited to, name, trade name, logo, livery, trademarks or service marks. The Delta MEC Chairman may, at his option, approve the use by a carrier engaged in international partner flying of a trade name, brand, logo, trademarks, service marks, aircraft livery or aircraft paint scheme currently or in the future utilized by the Company or any Company affiliate.

WHY was this added?
You know the answer, it's intuitive.

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