Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1903014)

I saw this over on chitchat. More Easter eggs to add to the pile.

Originally Posted by orvil (Post 1903268)

I haven't been posting here much. I've been playing over in ChitChat Land.

The SL 3 year retroactive look back is disturbing to me on many levels. I just don't get why you (DALPA) would permit punishment for behavior that is contractually legal in the previous contract.

I didn't pay attention to the number of sick days that I took in the last three years. I can't tell you how many days I took. What I do know is I never exceeded the 100 verification hours, ever.

Under the proposed TA, if I have 14 days, this activity will result in my having to verify my next sick call immediately. I don't have any records. I wasn't required to keep any. Potentially, I will be in this purgatory for three years before my record would be cleared. I can't get a cold, the flu or food poisoning.

All this to punish less than one percent of the group. What about the 99% that played by the rules? Retroactivity usually results in a check, not a punch.

Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1902706)

Under the Railway Labor Act, our contracts do not 'expire', they become 'amendable'.

So once we pass by the Amendable Date (Jan. 1, 2016) we continue to operate under today's contract, WITH PROFIT SHARING UNTOUCHED, with 100% of trips dropped for IOE for F/O's, with no BS third party Sick Leave Verification, or any of the many other concessions in this T/A.

Originally Posted by Sounds (Post 1902915)

wait wait, TB as mec chair?

L O L

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1903279)

Are you saying we can keep the C2012 work rules, JV language, sick leave, LOE drops AND get Profit Sharing plus hourly rate increases tied to American and United indefinitely? Why on earth would I vote for a concession in ANY area of the contract if I can just keep what I have. Wouldn't I be better off keeping C2012 + Profit Sharing indefinitely with hourly rates tied to American and United forever? I can't come up with ANY reason to vote for this.

Originally Posted by dalad (Post 1902993)

The JV venture changes are my first reason for voting no. I have less than 8 years to go, but I think they are all about making the Delta pilots irrelevant. Look what they did to Comair. Look what DHL did to ABX. NUF SAID.

Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 1903279)

Are you saying we can keep the C2012 work rules, JV language, sick leave, LOE drops AND get Profit Sharing plus hourly rate increases tied to American and United indefinitely? Why on earth would I vote for a concession in ANY area of the contract if I can just keep what I have. Wouldn't I be better off keeping C2012 + Profit Sharing indefinitely with hourly rates tied to American and United forever? I can't come up with ANY reason to vote for this.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1903150)

This is from UBS:

The ugly: big labor ask coming

SWAPA (pilots union) leadership sees its members as ~12% underpaid relative to current DAL/AAL contracts, and ~20% underpaid relative to tentative agreement (TA) with DAL pilots that (if ratified) would raise base wage rates but scale back profit sharing. SWAPA leadership sees a 15% base wage increase with modestly higher profit-sharing as minimum to get a deal done, and believes management's expectation for an overall cost-neutral labor deal is unrealistic. Remuneration appears to be only

major sticking point with work-rules and growth appearing to be of secondary concern.

During C2012 many on this board were advocating waiting for SeWAPA. They've waited 3 years and are already 12% behind us in total comp. FedEx and UPS, the other two carriers that have been consistently profitable and in negotiations haven't raised the bar either.

Why are they so delayed?

Originally Posted by 300SMK (Post 1902977)

I guess we didn't get door pay either? Buddy on 4th floor says E190s already signed for, they come either way.

Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1902979)

And the 50's that they can't staff anyway are getting parked either way.

And the 40 additional 737's that have already been announced to be replacments for higher paying equipment are coming either way as well.

Current book with the NMB is looking better and better.