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Carl Spackler 06-12-2015 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by texavia (Post 1902905)
TA wise things are going south now.

If DALPA can't knock it out of the park in this environment, it will be one strike out after another with the slightest downturn.

Negotiating concessions in this environment equals incompetence.

It's not incompetence tex. These guys are VERY competent. They're all very smart and driven people...they're just not working for us. This has been strategically planned and tactically developed for some time now. This MEC administration is 100% convinced that we won't defy them.

It's CRITICAL that we recall YES voting reps and purge this administration. They don't work for us. They never have.

Carl

Purple Drank 06-12-2015 01:28 PM

Amazing. The new negotiators notepad uses Delta's "estimated earnings" to juice up the pay comparison with profit sharing.

Remember C12? DALPA refused to speculate on Delta's future earnings during that sales job.

Whose side is DALPA on? Not mine.

Denny Crane 06-12-2015 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1903054)
Are these the same FOs that have been whining for the last 10 years about being FOs? The same ones that can now hold lines in the left seat but are printing so much money that all of a sudden throwing gear is not such a bad thing? THOSE FOs? I got mine? Hardly.

No, it's all the other FO's that are affected by the trickle down effect and the ones that will be bumped to reserve because that WILL happen.

Denny

Big E 757 06-12-2015 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by MtEverest (Post 1903232)
A warning to all who have not been through multiple contracts. Fixating on pay and possible jet orders will get you killed.

I've received 6-8 (I've lost count) communiques from DALPA and every single one only talks about compensation. Can you blame him for fixating on the money?

It's the only decent thing in the whole mess. That's all they want to talk about.

MtEverest 06-12-2015 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1902852)
Duh!?
Now that being said, the policy manual sets a 60 day memrat window which can be waived to 30 days.

The rationale is, plain and simple, money.

For the group having an extra month at 8% pay raises will also help with profit sharing pay outs for FY2015 next FEB.

Is anybody taking this guy seriously? He's telling us the reason the vote time is being compressed is to get us more pay sooner? The biggest opportunity since bankruptcy to improve our contract. Records profits with an earnings call quickly approaching. A contract riddled with concessions and dubious switchbacks.

And this guy says the reason to rush is to get that money flowing sooner. As airline pilots, does that make sense to any of you.

Professor, do you compress the time for your checklists and skip your departure briefing at an unfamiliar airport because you want to start getting paid sooner?

Unsat

orvil 06-12-2015 01:34 PM

I haven't been posting here much. I've been playing over in ChitChat Land.

The SL 3 year retroactive look back is disturbing to me on many levels. I just don't get why you (DALPA) would permit punishment for behavior that is contractually legal in the previous contract.

I didn't pay attention to the number of sick days that I took in the last three years. I can't tell you how many days I took. What I do know is I never exceeded the 100 verification hours, ever.

Under the proposed TA, if I have 14 days, this activity will result in my having to verify my next sick call immediately. I don't have any records. I wasn't required to keep any. Potentially, I will be in this purgatory for three years before my record would be cleared. I can't get a cold, the flu or food poisoning.

All this to punish less than one percent of the group. What about the 99% that played by the rules? Retroactivity usually results in a check, not a punch.

texavia 06-12-2015 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Cubdrick (Post 1903241)
An added "benefit" for Reserve pilots....no more waiting until 10am to start short call on your first day back brought to you courtesy of 23.S.5.d

DALPA is a CANCER.



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There - I fixed it.

pilotc90a 06-12-2015 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by MtEverest (Post 1903222)

These other items are a BFD's! The lifeblood of a pilots legal right to fly are his medical records. I as sure as hell don't want the company messing with mine for any reason. Before we even start to talk about pay rates, the ability of the company to demand access to my medical records under ANY circumstances needs to be removed! Wasn't there a time when ALPA stood for safety. Intimating pilots to not call in sick is the antitheses of what that organization should be about.

could not have stated this more clearly. Stay out of my private life!

boog123 06-12-2015 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1903260)
No, it's all the other FO's that are affected by the trickle down effect and the ones that will be bumped to reserve because that WILL happen.

Denny

Well, I am hoping my last few conversations are indicative of what will actually happen. Spoke to at least a dozen yes voters from the last contract and all of them, including a 58 year whale guy were all fired up . Seems the QOL items, FO bidding, sick time and low pay rates with PS give were the main heart burn items.

Time will tell……

boog123 06-12-2015 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 1903220)
How about truth to the rumor that fewer MEC members want the TA to fail (don't recommend it) than pass...but the majority wanted all pilots to make it so?

A road show including the recommendations of the MEC wouldn't hurt, and it would be telling if those who own the TA actually think it stinks.

If a rep doesn't have the courage to do what his constituents want, then he should step down. His constituents also have the obligation to recall him if he did indeed go against what his membership desired.


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