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Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1903150)
This is from UBS:
The ugly: big labor ask coming SWAPA (pilots union) leadership sees its members as ~12% underpaid relative to current DAL/AAL contracts, and ~20% underpaid relative to tentative agreement (TA) with DAL pilots that (if ratified) would raise base wage rates but scale back profit sharing. SWAPA leadership sees a 15% base wage increase with modestly higher profit-sharing as minimum to get a deal done, and believes management's expectation for an overall cost-neutral labor deal is unrealistic. Remuneration appears to be only major sticking point with work-rules and growth appearing to be of secondary concern.During C2012 many on this board were advocating waiting for SWAPA. They've waited 3 years and are already 12% behind us in total comp. FedEx and UPS, the other two carriers that have been consistently profitable and in negotiations haven't raised the bar either. Why are they so delayed? They don't have the worlds greatest bargaining agent --- DALPA. If they had DALPA, they would be signing on the dotted line for a concessionary contract yesterday. Sorry, I saw the shot and had to take it.:) |
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1903054)
Are these the same FOs that have been whining for the last 10 years about being FOs? The same ones that can now hold lines in the left seat but are printing so much money that all of a sudden throwing gear is not such a bad thing? THOSE FOs? I got mine? Hardly.
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Originally Posted by qball
(Post 1903167)
I doubt they are the same F/Os. The problem is this LCA bidding change affects every F/O and I can't believe any F/O would be willing to sell their seniority for an 8% raise.
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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1903173)
Everybody has their limits I guess.
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1903127)
The MEC Chairman can approve... an international partner carrier.. to use the Delta livery, markings, brand name on their aircraft.
...So Virgin Atlantic or China Southern can call themselves Delta, and paint their aircraft as such, and sell tickets using our brand, simply by His approval. Shanghai hub makes a lot more sense now. We just won't be flying it!!!
Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1903132)
Say whaaaaaaat?
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Delta press releases includes the statement "Additionally, this accord would secure additional career advancement opportunities for Delta pilots while providing the airline with productivity enhancements and further fleet flexibility across the airline's U.S. domestic system."
What are the "career advancement opportunities" Delta just announced that this accord willl afford pilots? Any chance these are management positions for some of the Yes MEC voters? I'm not seeing any other advancement happening out of this contract... |
Question..does anyone know what happens to the current sick time used and still available for 2015 IF the TA is woefully approved? Does it reset to the new times and restrictions?
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1903127)
The MEC Chairman can approve... an international partner carrier.. to use the Delta livery, markings, brand name on their aircraft.
...So Virgin Atlantic or China Southern can call themselves Delta, and paint their aircraft as such, and sell tickets using our brand, simply by His approval. Shanghai hub makes a lot more sense now. We just won't be flying it!!! International investment and outsourcing. All JV partners owned up to 49% and add new ones. Result: Delta tickets are not Delta tickets but are Delta profits. |
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1903054)
Are these the same FOs that have been whining for the last 10 years about being FOs? The same ones that can now hold lines in the left seat but are printing so much money that all of a sudden throwing gear is not such a bad thing? THOSE FOs? I got mine? Hardly.
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Originally Posted by shoelu
(Post 1903161)
Because SWAPA hasn't yet rolled over and accepted a substandard TA during the most advantageous labor bargaining position in decades.
When will that happen? How much is 12% of your pay this year? How far behind were you last year? Didn't we start negotiating at the same time in 2012? It will be nice if you guys for once lift the bar instead of undercutting people until they fall behind you. SWAPA plus....we're counting on you!;) |
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