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Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1903054)
Are these the same FOs that have been whining for the last 10 years about being FOs? The same ones that can now hold lines in the left seat but are printing so much money that all of a sudden throwing gear is not such a bad thing? THOSE FOs? I got mine? Hardly.
That's how management and ALPA will win this thing. Divide, segment and get the 51%. I'm not picking on tsquarebender. He's not alone. There are captains who absolutely hate seeing their FOs get green slip #4. Drives 'em nuts. And they especially hate seeing them get a green slip after a line check trip drop which puts them at triple pay. |
Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1903014)
I saw this over on chitchat. More Easter eggs to add to the pile.
If the old language specifically mentioned mechanical, then the two parties agreed to strike it, I don't think you'd have a terrible time making a case to a mediator/arbitrator about what the change means. Yes I think the language could be phrased better, but I have always thought that about that particular section. |
Originally Posted by 300SMK
(Post 1902977)
I guess we didn't get door pay either? Buddy on 4th floor says E190s already signed for, they come either way.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1902695)
What does a historic, best airline contract in the world look like?
While everyone is whittling down their expectations and not reflecting on their surveys, I thought I would post what most here may have expected. 1. Untouched profit sharing. 2. 20% date of signing or AA+1 then cola 3. Teeth put into the upper end scope, not concessions and guaranteed shrinkage. 4. Paid health insurance 5. ERISA maximum 401k contribution paid by company catchup contributions paid by pilot. 6. International, night and per diem pay at the top of the industry. 7. Seniority bidding rights status quo 8. Trips touching vacation (FedEx has it - remember worlds greatest contract) 9. Etc While you are arguing over scraps to try to retain your dignity, remember, pilots are fixers...you do not have to fix this or figure out how you can make it work...no matter what, you are not getting a red bull at the top of descent. If you vote yes for this concessionary contract during the best negotiating environment you have ever seen, you cannot retain the dignity that you made the job/profession better...it doesn't work like that. Voting yes on this is no different that eating food you just pulled out of the dumpster. Status quo is a ok by me. |
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1903042)
For everyone asking about quarterly results and PTIX and profit sharing, this is the deal....
I feel as though there is a fundamental misunderstanding about pay and profit sharing. I'm not here to argue for or against nor am I going to tell you how pay raises are going to be funded. But the reality is that Q earnings are completely irrelevant. First off, we are still under the old profit sharing scheme for this year. 2016 is when the change would be in effect. If you reference the bar graph of 6 billion PTIX 2018 salary+profit sharing, with and without a deal (I posted earlier); this is the worst case scenario. We will be making more money with this deal across the board no matter what. Anything above $6BN we will start making significantly more. I think making the pay / p/s argument is a poor one. This deal gives all of us more money, regardless. The questions to ask are: 1. Is in enough money? 2. Is it enough money in light of what you view as concessions in other areas? I think that is a more honest debate to have. |
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1903070)
This is why we still have profit sharing. I do not disagree with your logic. Ancillary revenue streams are a key strategy of the company.
Profit sharing has changed in this TA yes. But only changed. You will still make more money under this TA every single year it is effect, regardless of Delta profit and declared PTIX. And we are guaranteed to make permanent the concessions in QOL not only for the duration of this contract but for all future contracts. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1903072)
And there you have it.
That's how management and ALPA will win this thing. Divide, segment and get the 51%. I'm not picking on tsquarebender. He's not alone. There are captains who absolutely hate seeing their FOs get green slip #4. Drives 'em nuts. And they especially hate seeing them get a green slip after a line check trip drop which puts them at triple pay. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1903072)
And there you have it.
That's how management and ALPA will win this thing. Divide, segment and get the 51%. I'm not picking on tsquarebender. He's not alone. There are captains who absolutely hate seeing their FOs get green slip #4. Drives 'em nuts. And they especially hate seeing them get a green slip after a line check trip drop which puts them at triple pay. I had a Captain I was flying with tell me that I was stealing when he found out I was getting over 45 hours of credit for 2 days work.... I told him that I am okay with that, because what we gave up to get that caused me to commute across the country for a year because of the new hire seat lock... Now all of a sudden we are supposed to give up the good we got for, wait for it, an even longer new hire seat lock! I wonder if that Captain had a new hire seat lock?? Clearly I haven't stolen enough!:cool: |
DALPA's dark team has been workng overtime to spin this TA.
Here is the simple fact: This total TA comes down to an 8% hourly increase and massive concessions. 8% DOS The 6% 1/1/16 is fully offset by a reduction in profit sharing. A reduction 98% of the Delta pilots opposed. The 3% in 2017 and 2018 will barely cover cost of living if we are lucky. Spread the word to every pilot you come in contact with. |
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1903039)
This has zero relevance.
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