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So with the NH freeze, for those of us almost off probation will we be grandfathered or will we be frozen an additional 12 months if this passes?
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1901343)
:D
That is correct. Hyperbolic but correct. An A380 counts the same as a Cessna under the new deal. http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/a...psvqv0jjsp.png |
Originally Posted by Superdad
(Post 1901257)
I'd love to turn in a DPA card and I will, as soon as Caplinger leaves the organization.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 1901265)
The existing contract uses EASKs. The new one drops that and uses aircraft block hours.
For purposes of debate they converted EASKs and used the new metric. The numbers I posted are aircraft block hours. Does it convert to block hours though? Or does it just allow 50/50 block hours? Because that's how it was written, which would mean a significant and immediate loss of widebody jobs that we'd never get back. Even if it "converted" to block hours, that still sets the stage for a significant permanent majority of AF/KLM EASK's from now on. If it guts our current block hour premium and allows an immediate 50/50 split (really a 49/51 split…) then we're really getting hosed. Who would EVER agree to this and why? |
Originally Posted by TexanDriver
(Post 1901349)
So with the NH freeze, for those of us almost off probation will we be grandfathered or will we be frozen an additional 12 months if this passes?
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Very telling that the usual "yes" crowd's message during this was wait and see instead of defending. The half dozen pilots I have talked to recently varied from "NO" to "the rates looked ok but haven't seen the details".
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1901324)
Ok, here is a quick list why this turd should be rejected. Feel free to ad to it:
1. Credit Suisse article showing its actually putting money in the company's pocket every year Credit Suisse noted that the fixed increase of 15% by the amendable date is slightly more than it expected, but the profit sharing offset is more significant at this point. With the 20% profit sharing threshold moving to $6 billion for all employees, the firm expects approximately $500 million of potential savings, compared to $2.5 billion of threshold. The firm believes that this will be large enough saving to offset the fixed increase of 15% for pilots, giving extra cost of approximately $400 million.
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1901324)
2. Loss of Profit Sharing/buying our own raise. What's the company's predicted profit for the next three years? Also tweaking how PS is calculated will lower the amount
3. 3.b.4 will surely be triggered again and we will probably get around a 3% raise (a guess on my part) 4. 75% of LCA trips pulled out affects every FO in that category not just 180 5. More large RJ to DCI 6. JV metric changed to block hours from EASK's and lowered. 7. Only 1% to DC plan and that not until 2017 8. 5 to 10 cents more on per diem, puhleeze 9. Sick leave debacle. Third party verification? Not good if true 10. Vacation and training only adding 15 minutes a day? 11. New hire training freeze now 24 months? Throw the new hire under the bus These off the top of my head...... Denny |
The reincarnation of 717, Goldguy, Sharpest Tool....
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This thread really is like watching a train wreck, only it's all been recorded...post 3073 picks up in December of 2014 if any of you want to relive this unfolding disaster. Pre-release expectations and discussions really put the actual TA in perspective.
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Originally Posted by Doug Madsen
(Post 1901366)
Really? Which part of this article said that:
Credit Suisse noted that the fixed increase of 15% by the amendable date is slightly more than it expected, but the profit sharing offset is more significant at this point. With the 20% profit sharing threshold moving to $6 billion for all employees, the firm expects approximately $500 million of potential savings, compared to $2.5 billion of threshold. The firm believes that this will be large enough saving to offset the fixed increase of 15% for pilots, giving extra cost of approximately $400 million. So, ALPA puts out a list of approximately 60 improvements, and your counter is 11 "cons" of which 2 aren't even true and 3 are actually improvements Even if it was a wash, now add in the cost of concessions. |
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