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Originally Posted by flyallnite
(Post 1903127)
The MEC Chairman can approve... an international partner carrier.. to use the Delta livery, markings, brand name on their aircraft.
...So Virgin Atlantic or China Southern can call themselves Delta, and paint their aircraft as such, and sell tickets using our brand, simply by His approval. Shanghai hub makes a lot more sense now. We just won't be flying it!!! Regardless, I'd do whatever it took to get solid routes in China. Even if that means having JV in the short term. |
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1903113)
It's not in the TA. So I cannot. To that end.
Please look at our current book for deliveries. I'll revisit it if I have time. Promise. You are actually doing a good job stating and restating facts of the TA. The problem is the TA. No matter how many times its said its still 8% for QOL concessions and out year cola. This is a shameful waste of this opportunity. |
Originally Posted by Sounds
(Post 1903138)
That's interesting and I haven't heard that interpretation before. was that in the ta?
Regardless, I'd do whatever it took to get solid routes in China. Even if that means having JV in the short term. |
Originally Posted by RetiredFTS
(Post 1903129)
Where is this "red" section for all to read. Links would be great when discussing a source (but I'm not smart enough to execute this).
hope this helps. Full amended language. |
Originally Posted by capncrunch
(Post 1902983)
Would the new hire seat lock be retro active to new hires currently in their first year or to those hired after its signed?
Looks like we traded 4 weeks of hotels for an extra year of new hire seat freeze. Who do you think won that battle? The hotels are an industry embarrassment, they were coming anyway. Why trade for something we were going to get anyway? As a guy with a SSN last 4 that starts with a 0 I think the proposed 2 year seat lock stinks. Because of some random factor of where I was born, I have to eat whatever nobody else in my new hire class wanted for 2 years? |
SWAPA point of view.
This is from UBS:
The ugly: big labor ask coming SWAPA (pilots union) leadership sees its members as ~12% underpaid relative to current DAL/AAL contracts, and ~20% underpaid relative to tentative agreement (TA) with DAL pilots that (if ratified) would raise base wage rates but scale back profit sharing. SWAPA leadership sees a 15% base wage increase with modestly higher profit-sharing as minimum to get a deal done, and believes management's expectation for an overall cost-neutral labor deal is unrealistic. Remuneration appears to be only major sticking point with work-rules and growth appearing to be of secondary concern.During C2012 many on this board were advocating waiting for SWAPA. They've waited 3 years and are already 12% behind us in total comp. FedEx and UPS, the other two carriers that have been consistently profitable and in negotiations haven't raised the bar either. Why are they so delayed? |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 1903139)
It's not part of the TA.
You are actually doing a good job stating and restating facts of the TA. The problem is the TA. No matter how many times its said its still 8% for QOL concessions and out year cola. This is a shameful waste of this opportunity. That is outside of the scope of this TA and it only muddies the waters with regards to presenting a contractual change to the pilot group. That said, I will offer JV language and data as it is and as it is in a worst case. Because...that what a contract is for. Again, I need some time because I'm collecting language from a few experts. Thanks. |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1903150)
This is from UBS:
The ugly: big labor ask coming SWAPA (pilots union) leadership sees its members as ~12% underpaid relative to current DAL/AAL contracts, and ~20% underpaid relative to tentative agreement (TA) with DAL pilots that (if ratified) would raise base wage rates but scale back profit sharing. SWAPA leadership sees a 15% base wage increase with modestly higher profit-sharing as minimum to get a deal done, and believes management's expectation for an overall cost-neutral labor deal is unrealistic. Remuneration appears to be only major sticking point with work-rules and growth appearing to be of secondary concern.During C2012 many on this board were advocating waiting for SWAPA. They've waited 3 years and are already 12% behind us in total comp. FedEx and UPS, the other two carriers that have been consistently profitable and in negotiations haven't raised the bar either. Why are they so delayed? |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1903150)
This is from UBS:
The ugly: big labor ask coming SWAPA (pilots union) leadership sees its members as ~12% underpaid relative to current DAL/AAL contracts, and ~20% underpaid relative to tentative agreement (TA) with DAL pilots that (if ratified) would raise base wage rates but scale back profit sharing. SWAPA leadership sees a 15% base wage increase with modestly higher profit-sharing as minimum to get a deal done, and believes management's expectation for an overall cost-neutral labor deal is unrealistic. Remuneration appears to be only major sticking point with work-rules and growth appearing to be of secondary concern.During C2012 many on this board were advocating waiting for SWAPA. They've waited 3 years and are already 12% behind us in total comp. FedEx and UPS, the other two carriers that have been consistently profitable and in negotiations haven't raised the bar either. Why are they so delayed? |
Originally Posted by slowplay
(Post 1903150)
Why are they so delayed?
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