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Originally Posted by Bananie (Post 1903770)

Yeah, I was here, bankruptcy sucks we all got the T-Shirt. For me the issue is once bankruptcy is over how do you recover. This MEC has led the way since 2008. US Air sat for a decade with nothing. American 5 years or more. Continental and United 3 years or more. All I know is that I have made a lot more over the last 5 years than my friends at American and United and they are eternally p-o'd at coming to work every day. I like my job and my company and I can read my W-2's.

We were driven into a ditch by crappy management. This MEC has drug us out of the ditch better than anyone else. Not perfectly, but I am not perfect either so I forgive those who trespass against me. This TA is not perfect either but if we wait for a perfect contract we will all be dead first. This is a lot of money for people that need it. I am an optimist, I concentrate on the good, some always concentrate on the bad.

As a so called optimist, what is the "good" in this contract? I don't want to hear about money either...the money was/is gonna come because both the company and the union know that unless they offer a competitive pay package they'll surely get a NO vote. I want to know what you think is "good" beyond the pay? You've proven to be an advocate for this TA so please provide the rest of us with 5 items you believe warrant this a "good" TA, again beyond the pay? 5 things....

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1904376)

Now my understanding talking to someone from that vaunted 4th floor is that the company is angry about a sub group cashing out (abusing) their sick leave in a rather blatant and glorious way to any objective person but to the company's frustration it is all verified with a Doctor. So they want to get around that.

Um. What?

Automatic no vote, drop the mic, walk away, beg to get parked (which, by the way, will NEVER happen simply because we refuse to give concessions especially during 6+B/year record setting profits).

There is nothing the NMB can do to us that is worst than POS15.

Oh, so that's who wrote our strategic planning power point. Are they also helping the P2P guys on FB with their talking points?

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1904412)

They're an Atlanta based law firm founded by Michael Campbell who was also a VP for us, retired, then came back to handle these negotiations for management. The firm specializes in breaking unions and industrial psychological ops. Many posters here who came from the regionals know all too well the tactics they use. Specifically, co-opting Union leaders and weakening the target Union from the inside.

Carl

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1904435)

From which we can subtract any profit sharing we get under the current contract.....:).

Denny

So let's assume there is no PS. what about that ? I'm willing to prove to anybody if you PM me that we are going to be in a total market disaster over next 3 years. THERE WILL BE NO PS !!!. Calculate that into this POS TA.

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Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1904248)

A lot of hot air and little in regard to plan b. One participant suggests that re engaging the company is plan b. I agree.

Now let's take the next step. Does RA reward the Delta pilots and capitulate? Or does he say lets see what the NMB says?

Everyone voting no should have an opinion here. Let's hear them. If you want a yes voter like me to consider your view you have to show me how it ends.

Great hockey game right now. Too lazy to type, but --

Here's what I think we should do:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1897969

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...ml#post1897990

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Originally Posted by Bounty Man (Post 1904444)

Sorry I'm not the doom and gloom type. I will go with the company's prediction for profits the next three years. :)

Denny

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Originally Posted by Bounty Man (Post 1904444)

Not sure what you're saying you're predicting, but if profits disappear (total market disaster) then not only would there be no PS money, there is a 100% chance they would come hard for concessions. Heck, they're doing that now to almost everything except pay rates already. In a "total market disaster" collapse, they will come for the pay rates too.

When things recover, we will NEVER get the current PS tiers and levels back.

Oh and how cool will it be going in to a total market disaster with work rules that require fewer pilots and a JV system that looks at a foreign 380 the same as our 757 on a route? What if a rogue MEC chairman says its OK to paint any foreign airline DL and call it DL and use their pilots? Don't think Donatelli would do that? He's agreeing to that very language right now.

Pay is easier to lose in a downturn and is also much easier to get back than work rules. This TA hammers work rules and staffing while providing a huge fleet replacement in lower paying AC in exchange for a relatively modest raise in the best negotiating environment in industry history. If I was a manager thinking 4 steps ahead of the line swine playing a long game to absolutely dominate them, this is EXACTLY what I would be trying to do.

We're getting played. Hard. We're outmatched. Send it back and do it right, for as long as it takes.

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Originally Posted by Abouttime2fish (Post 1904374)

Thanks Denny.

Can anyone understand the reserve requirement math in terms of how it compares to the current contract? I've not been able to figure it out.

This needs to be added to the list of questions.

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Originally Posted by TCMC17RES (Post 1904452)

This needs to be added to the list of questions.

I'm wondering if it levels out actual reserves through the month to keep weekends from dropping down to min as much (or simply raising the min if there is a "surplus" of reserves available for a given month). If that's the case that would be an earth shattering concession that would dramatically reduce GS assignments as well as abrogating the seniority of reserves and severely restrict schedule moves.

I'm hoping that's not what this is, but it fits the theme of deep concessions that reduce pilot staffing in exchange for modest pay rate increases.