Voting yes for this POS is like tying a rope around your neck and handing the other end to the company. Best case, its a collar and leash they can lead you around with, worst case its a noose.

Bump to this so everyone remembers.

Carl

Yes, YOUR money at the expense of SOMEONE ELSE's QOL.

Ok Professor

Why the expedited time line for the vote? Is it true it will close 7/10...just 5 days BEFORE 2nd quarter earnings report?

I hope you can appreciate why so many us think DAPLA has a HUGE credibility issue.

As of July we have 441 positions paying top of scale. The eventual $330/hr, if we gain 350s as we retire 747s, only 3.5% of the list will get those rates at any given time. Sorry to say but you won't see that. And if and when you do you should already have a nice 401k or other plan that was established from all your Narrowbody flying. I'll never see it and I plan to retire at 60.

[QUOTE=ERflyer;1902686]I'm okay with my name on there.

I don't think those on FPL posting have an evil agenda. I think they're trying to get the facts out there. That said, they don't have all the angles figured out on this complicated TA.



I agree they don't have an "evil agenda" but they only want to highlight certain facts.

I have heard a few Reps said something along the lines of "The Pilots deserve a vote on the TA that is why I am voting to send it to MEMRAT."

Well that would be great if they objectively posted the TA with a analysis of the good and the bad elements. But the used car salesmen pitch make me want to puke.

I would have much more respect for DALPA is they simply said "Guys this is the best we can get, It has a bunch of good things in it and a bunch of concessions - vote how you see fit."

But no, we get - "This TA is great if you dont vote yes you will be losing millions of dollars every second."

Why does every TVM analysis not factor in RETRO pay? The last time DALPA actually played hardball (C2000) I believe we got RETRO pay - why do we assume zero RETRO pay? Perhaps to scare and intimidate fence sitters?

Scoop

And that is why DALPA is so panicked to give it away.

Now the compressed timeline is announced because of the concern for recalls and the MEC administration being purged. This admin has to stay in place to lie about what's in the TA, or the TA can't pass.

Carl

As said above - your money for others' QOL (and money).

You and the previously-mentioned 747A are an example of what goes wrong in unions: eventually, it changes from "What can we use our unity to achieve for us?" to "What can I use our union to achieve for me?"

When that happens, the union crumbles into division and ineffectiveness.

Still, some will be just as happy when that happens, because they'll be at the top of the pile of rubble rather than underneath it.

They DID see it Timbo. They're on the same side of the freaking table! I've been saying this now for how many years? :mad:

Carl

Just a little interesting tidbit. Had a SWA jumpseater yesterday. We, of course, were talking about the TA. He said the rumor over there is that SWAPA and their management were within hours of signing a TA when news of ours came out. Unclear whether the union or management (or both) stopped negotiations, but they were stopped to see what was in ours.

Again, no clue of how accurate it is, it's just what the guy said.