A couple videos from another board to describe this corrupt MEC, the LEC reps who voted yes and those trying to sell this POS to the detriment of fellow pilots....and how those pilots feel.

https://youtu.be/-kflXxVS9RU?t=18s

https://youtu.be/CdPQQvogH7M?t=1m35s

wait for the roadshow!
 

So the latest "Letter form the Chairman" just plopped in my email in box. Apparently "social media" is good when the MEC can use it, but not when anyone has a dissenting viewpoint. Shutting down the FB page when the TA was being discussed not make perfect sense.

It also included this little nugget:

And the Delta pilots need the opportunity to consider this agreement without being inundated with simple, yet continuous falsehoods or attack.

So I guess the roadshows will be canceled too? :p

The hold back would be based on anticipated block hours needed for OE so time of assignment would not change the numbers. They can hold back 75% of their anticipated need.

Social media is a double edged sword.

Many live on these boards. The conversation usually go down one path with no dissent. Some may argue MEC comm is the same. Those are both fair assessments.

Just as a thought experiment, how valid would this board hold anyone's opinion who was a firm yes?

Would they be heard?
Would they be shunned,derided and told how stupid they were?
Would they be accused of being a DALPA plant?

Food for thought only.

The group on here claims they are being sold on a TA. I would submit that there is very little room for debate with all the screaming no.

Again, if anyone has any questions or concerns the reference TA and other materials are available on the dal.alpa.org contract pages.

Thanks.

When you accuse someone of being corrupt you are stating they are committing criminal actions. I would be very careful in doing that unless you have hard evidence to back that up. If not they might end up with your house and 401k!

I'm a 717A and plan on voting no. However as someone riding HIS jumpseat I think it rather arrogant and presumptuous that you felt enabled to lecture him or anyone else about the TA, unless he started the conversation (which he may have).

Also I take "jumpseat wisdom" with a grain of salt, ever since back around 2000 we had a jumpseater upset about RJs trying to convince us that every flight from ATL less than 500 miles would be flown by RJs within five years.

That would include from ATL to TPA, MCO, BNA, JAX.

Didn't quite happen that way did it? (and yes we have had and do have too many RJs in the system)

They pushed for it in the TA for the same reason they ask for anything. It saves them money. It's just not on the level posted here. There are also those in management who have a philosophical bias against letting a small percentage of pilots stay home with full pay in some cases for years. I am told this was a issue RA himself has. We have a few guys who by a combination of pre month bidding and swaps only work when they go to the sim for currency every 90 days.

Wrong. It has a variety of meanings. Number 2 (below) is what I am primarily pointing at although #1 is not out of the question either. Moak certainly benefited from his "constructive engagement" with management.

cor·rupt

1. cause to act dishonestly in return for money or personal gain.
"there is a continuing fear of firms corrupting politicians in the search for contracts.

2. change or debase by making errors or unintentional alterations.
"Epicurus's teachings have since been much corrupted"
synonyms: alter, tamper with, interfere with, bastardize, debase, adulterate "the apostolic writings had been corrupted"

No, the word corrupt does not exclusively mean illegal. It can also be used to describe a lack of integrity.

The numbers should be proportional except a domestic category would generally have a lower percentage of LCA's because you don't have the higher manning needed to cover the larger number of FO's for 3 man ops. I posted those numbers because they answered the phone this morning. Call and get the numbers for other categories and post them.