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Trip7 06-15-2015 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 1905895)
So lets assume it is a one for one swap. The remaining portion of the raise barely keeps up with inflation going forward. Not to mention that you are 'funding' your own raise. The company is not coming off anything in the era of 5B+ profits. That's my biggest beef with the pay. If they want to lower PS, OK, but come up with some cash for it. Like 10/8/6/6 maybe. At least that is a real raise with inflation factored in.

You stated the raises barely keep up with inflation. Many bring up the inflation argument and it's a compelling argument in regards to buying power. But what is always not mentioned is how inflation also affects our current rates. Whatever raise we get holds that same percentage vs our current contract, so it's irrelevant to call C2015 a 6/-2/1/1 raise because the C2015 has a raise of -2/-2/-2.

Secondly the reduction of profit sharing self funds 6%. So a 21% raise over 3 years is truly a 15% raise. Not a home run but that's a decent chunk of change. And we'll be back to the table in 2018, 2 years before AA's CURRENT deal expires

orvil 06-15-2015 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Hornet1 (Post 1905906)
Depending what Delta's profits are I do believe this change to PS could save the company money even when factoring in increased pilot costs going forward. However, Our pay would be roughly the same if the company makes 6 Billion in 2016 whether the TA was 8/6/3/3 and changing PS to 10% between 2.5 and 6B or 8/0/3/3 and leaving PS where it is. I agree with many on this board that say the pay raise is not enough but I question the ones that say the change in PS make it a no go for them. What am I missing?

First, PS is a gain for concessions that were hard won in bankruptcy.

Second, any monetizing of PS should have come AFTER suitable a suitable pay raise.

One man's opinion only.

Hornet1 06-15-2015 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 1905895)
So lets assume it is a one for one swap. The remaining portion of the raise barely keeps up with inflation going forward. Not to mention that you are 'funding' your own raise. The company is not coming off anything in the era of 5B+ profits. That's my biggest beef with the pay. If they want to lower PS, OK, but come up with some cash for it. Like 10/8/6/6 maybe. At least that is a real raise with inflation factored in.

I'm pretty sure we are on the same page here. I'm guessing the company looks at giving us a one for one trade of PS between 2.5B and 6B as premium since they essentially took the risk out of that part of our pay. I think I'm trying to break it out for me to better understand it. 8/0/3/3 "raise" and a one for one swap of PS.

Moondog 06-15-2015 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Hornet1 (Post 1905906)
Depending what Delta's profits are I do believe this change to PS could save the company money even when factoring in increased pilot costs going forward. However, Our pay would be roughly the same if the company makes 6 Billion in 2016 whether the TA was 8/6/3/3 and changing PS to 10% between 2.5 and 6B or 8/0/3/3 and leaving PS where it is. I agree with many on this board that say the pay raise is not enough but I question the ones that say the change in PS make it a no go for them. What am I missing?

8/6/3/3 would be more tolerable, not acceptable mind you, if they left PS as is. At least it would be a small raise. 8/0/3/3 with PS the same is basically 4/4/3/3 which barely keeps with inflation. Don't misunderstand me, I am all for converting soft money to hard money, but not with a loan shark. Rather get a fair exchange rate.

Moondog 06-15-2015 01:04 PM

Doesn't look like the FO schedules are coming out today, so I am going to drink some Monday cheap beer.

Timbo 06-15-2015 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 1905915)
Doesn't look like the FO schedules are coming out today, so I am going to drink some Monday cheap beer.

They are probably pulling 75% of the LCA trips right now, so get ready to work on July 4th!

You DID put that in your survey, right? :rolleyes:

jdborg 06-15-2015 01:12 PM

For those of you who say "I only call in sick if I'm sick so it won't affect me". I'm very happy for you (and a little jealous) that you are sick so infrequently. By stating it that way you imply that anyone who goes over must be abusing sick leave. I use almost 100 hours every year. I've gone as high as 130 hours and as little as 60. I get a sinus infection almost every spring and fall during allergy season and I have a bad back that goes out 2-3 times a year. I really don't care if they want to see my medical history about these issues (they go back over 25 years). My problem is, if I can't self verify on these issues then any cold, stomach issues, or any other sick that I would not need to verify for will now need verification. Thanks DALPA.

Moondog 06-15-2015 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1905923)
They are probably pulling 75% of the LCA trips right now, so get ready to work on July 4th!

You DID put that in your survey, right? :rolleyes:

No delusions that I won't be working on the 4th, but at least I will get holiday pay.....Oh wait.........beer mmmmmmmm!!

Moondog 06-15-2015 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by jdborg (Post 1905926)
For those of you who say "I only call in sick if I'm sick so it won't affect me". I'm very happy for you (and a little jealous) that you are sick so infrequently. By stating it that way you imply that anyone who goes over must be abusing sick leave. I use almost 100 hours every year. I've gone as high as 130 hours and as little as 60. I get a sinus infection almost every spring and fall during allergy season and I have a bad back that goes out 2-3 times a year. I really don't care if they want to see my medical history about these issues (they go back over 25 years). My problem is, if I can't self verify on these issues then any cold, stomach issues, or any other sick that I would not need to verify for will now need verification. Thanks DALPA.

^^^^^+1^^^^^

Hornet1 06-15-2015 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Moondog (Post 1905912)
8/6/3/3 would be more tolerable, not acceptable mind you, if they left PS as is. At least it would be a small raise. 8/0/3/3 with PS the same is basically 4/4/3/3 which barely keeps with inflation. Don't misunderstand me, I am all for converting soft money to hard money, but not with a loan shark. Rather get a fair exchange rate.

I agree completely...


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